Re: [gentoo-dev] Concerns about WIPE_TMP change

2008-01-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
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Mike Frysinger schreef:
 On Saturday 19 January 2008, Roy Marples wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 02:48 +0100, Stefan de Konink wrote:
 In my opinion WIPE_TMP should be in the same state
 as RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP.
 That's a fair point.
 
 how ?  these two options are not related in the slightest.

Because both options should be enabled manually under the presumption if
one knows what one is doing. Potential dataloss vs Potential boot
problems, I think that is the same ball park.


Stefan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Concerns about WIPE_TMP change

2008-01-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
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Mike Frysinger schreef:
 i can add an elog, but the arguments for not turning it on by default are far 
 from convincing

Please, only do this, and I'll stop about this subject. :)

So something like *beep*beep*beep* /tmp will now by default cleaned upon
restart, this behavior is configurable in /etc/conf.d/bootmisc. For more
permanent temporary storage use /var/tmp. For more information about
/tmp look at: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#TMPTEMPORARYFILES


Stefan



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Concerns about WIPE_TMP change [offtopic]

2008-01-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
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Duncan schreef:
 Richard Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 excerpted below, on  Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:55:53 -0500:

 Obscure?  It's the directory name (says another with both /tmp and /var/
 tmp on tmpfs).

...very offtopic but how are you all compiling stuff like firefox on a
ram disk. Or is 8GB of ram very cheap suddenly?


Stefan
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Concerns about WIPE_TMP change [offtopic]

2008-01-19 Thread Stefan de Konink
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Alec Warner schreef:
 But who compiles firefox? :)

Probably everyone that noticed that the segmentation faults coming from
the precompiled versions are annoying?


Stefan

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[gentoo-dev] Concerns about WIPE_TMP change

2008-01-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
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Hello,


I joined this mailinglist because of my concern pointed in:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206604


How stupid anyone could be that stores anything in /tmp. I think it is a
problem to change the default behavior of a system that in essence will
result in data loss.

As pointed out by others you should not use /tmp to store data, my
return question is then, why are the other ./tmp directories not wiped?
If any ./tmp on a partition was 'kernel' governed I could agree that a
semi-ramdisk would be gone upon reboot, or after an application was done
running. But it is not.


In any case my request would be to put a message with bells and beeps in
the ebuild that cause the /etc/conf.d/bootmisc change announcing that by
then the default option for /tmp is deletion on boot. To be consistent,
also delete /var/tmp. If anyone thinks wiping /var/tmp is evil, please
reconsider /tmp too. In my opinion WIPE_TMP should be in the same state
as RC_PARALLEL_STARTUP. Unless anyone can make sure a user knows what he
is doing, disable it.



Yours Sincerely,

Stefan de Konink

ps. No I did not have data loss, like any good admin I read before I
apply. And yes I prefer to store anything that will not cause harm, such
as extracted sources for gdb use in /tmp.
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