Re: OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 22:39:04 +0100 Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 12/04/2017 10:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. > > I hope you really mean that, we've all heard you complaining about

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:51:23 +0100 "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017, 00:40:11 CET schrieb William L. > Thomson Jr.: [...] > [...] > [...] > > Well, it's like listening to a broken record, which keeps rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
uctive impact. Maybe new people, still learning the same lessons over and over. Old ones still trying to force things to work the way they have never and will never. And you get upset when someone is crying a fowl? If you saw something being neglected and suffering. You would just stand by silently?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:22:34 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > For the record and reading assumer's. All my actions were in public, > basically on mailing lists starting with -nfp long ago. All action > taken against me was in public visible

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
actions being in public. People still assume because research and thinking for yourself takes time. Time I do not expect anyone to expend. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpZwG3wiX646.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
rds, etc. I do not use profanity. I do not harass people. My actions are all in public. I am not a fan of private PM. I hated it as a Trustee! In fact private harassment is why I stepped down as Trustee Me receiving harassment from members of DevRel None sexual, still was harassment none the less -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp5436cBD0EY.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Accidental spoofing -> Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:01:39 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:43:15 -0800 > Matt Turner <matts...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > Sorry. I think I was confusing a number of irritating things you've > > do

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
nature than intentional disrespect. I spent to much time in the hood growing up. I know better, I am still alive... :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpU89xjZTA1P.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:26:26 -0800 Matt Turner <matts...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > That being said, that people find it acceptable to talk behind > > another's back. Lobbing lots o

OT Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Sorry last one, directed to Alec, but all should read. On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:08:51 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > You could at least realize being here since 2008. If your not the one > making it better. Maybe do not give others a hard time

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ow they feel about others? -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
about entirely new unique social issues. Technology creates more social issues than it solves. People all over the world will never get along. That does not mean they should not have a place where they all come together for the benefit of all. That is where magic happens! -- Willia

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
not to blame for Gentoo's entire community and/or atmosphere. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp8xFv9KLktq.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
on. You can see me referencing them any times in the -nfp logs from when I was a Trustee. Not to mention the lack of technical contributions. I can't find you Alec where are your commits? Or other activity? wlt@ws /usr/portage $ git shortlog -s -n --all | grep -i Thomson 55 William L.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:57:16 -0500 kuzetsa <kuze...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 + > > "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.ever...@iee.org> wrote: > > > >> On 04/12/17 00:37, M

Re: [gentoo-dev] We Are All wltjr On This Blessed Day

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
on > 19:34 jstein | where do I remember this nick from? Bugs? > 19:36 jstein | the robot did not write any mail after 9th. I > expected he was set to "moderated". > -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgppVz4FpIqZj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ing people in A lesson many have yet to learn... As Donnie said conflict is good... https://youtu.be/-ZSli7QW4rg?t=5m5s As Steve Jobbs said in this metaphor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Yv-UdsmSo -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp2GSURTuk35.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] 9 9 9 What Gentoo should be....

2017-12-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
versions! What Gentoo should be -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp3A1rriRwmN.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] profiles 17.0 hardened/no-multilib missing?

2017-12-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
rrent profiles situation in Gentoo. https://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Profiles "This new system is really a completion of the original cascading profile design that was co-designed by Daniel Robbins and Seemant Kulleen and implemented by Seemant Kulleen as part of Portage." https://www.funto

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-24 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 00:20:38 + Peter Stuge <pe...@stuge.se> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > I cannot understand why systems get faster, yet configure seems to > > take the same amount of time and is super slow. > > The generated configure scripts c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-24 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
s are migrating to meson. Seems to be the current trend, and a considerable amount moving to meson. Meson vs cmake configure is not that big of a difference. maybe like make vs ninja. But Meson or Cmake vs configure, HUGE difference... The larger the project, the slower configure can be. -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Strip features via profile.bashrc

2017-11-19 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
haven't had much luck in my profiles features request. Sets went no where quick... Maybe this will have better luck! https://bugs.gentoo.org/638196 -- William L. Thomson Jr.

[gentoo-dev] Strip features via profile.bashrc

2017-11-19 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
rt and set, neither have effect. Even when replaced with -buildpkg. Seems like make.conf is sourced or something for that. I do not think I am setting it to late. I cannot seem to set it for the build env. Any way to do this? A bug? -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpBoa0TfVu_m.pgp Description: OpenP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-19 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:49:51 + (UTC) Martin Vaeth <mar...@mvath.de> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > > > case ${CMAKE_MAKEFILE_GENERATOR} in > > emake) > > DEPEND="sys-devel/ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-18 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Eating spam for breakfast! Glorious Spam! http://cdn.ipernity.com/142/50/59/32265059.4aebaf91.640.jpg https://landof1words.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/sir-can-a-lot.jpg On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:59:15 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > That i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-18 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Forgot something useful On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 09:50:51 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > Otherwise yes, unless icedtea-bin exist for that arch. Boostrapping > in a post gcc-jdk/java 7 world will be difficult, If not impossible > for some a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-18 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ping in a post gcc-jdk/java 7 world will be difficult, If not impossible for some archs. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpNM3IqwfZI6.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:40:14 + Peter Stuge <pe...@stuge.se> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > If you have any suggestions as to what I should look at to better > > > understand the OpenJDK build system I would very much appreciate > > > them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
with make. if only a few, switch to ninja and have those stick with the slow make. Either way up to others. I am just passing on whats going on in many other FOSS projects. Ninja is most of the speed of meson less configure time savings. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpbJ6TtMkfy0.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:41:53 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:42:59 -0600 > Matthew Thode <prometheanf...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > You seem to know a bit about this, has there been a bug made > > o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ost! Every bit contains useful technical information. Maybe make some effort to package or help JDK on Gentoo vs a pointless comment. Like you said, THINK! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpNG4RcFvy0f.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:24:47 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > The icedtea from source ebuild is a result of RedHat. The main person > at RedHat responsible for their open source Java is the author of > Icedtea. He uses Gentoo as his devel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
-- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpi7ZGgRFiQs.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
va. It is fine for development use. There are just problems with merging other Java packages if 9 is set as your system vm. You may experience problems running stuff on Java 9 as well. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpyv8ijkkDC9.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Though it has some unique things that have not helped it > However, I am not a very smart man. I am usually wrong. Hopefully > someone who is much more intelligent than I can explain how I have > erred in my opinion. Its wonderful to be wrong. We learn more, or should... :) -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
is the visible result of blocking people, with no one else wiling to do the work. I am playing catch up now. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpDnE5BlR_1f.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Java 9 on Gentoo

2017-11-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
!!! NOT FUD! Constructive heads up as to the factual state of things. If you would like to see them change. Talk to Chewi/James Le Cuirot. He will need lots of help! Even with others I guestimate a month or more before it can be unmasked. Once its added to tree... -- William L. Thomson Jr

Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
l the time in development doing routine builds as part of code, build, test, code, etc. Rinse and repeat. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpaAQR5qEBTJ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] cmake + ninja vs autotools

2017-11-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
f the slow configure and also slow make. Anytime I use cmake, I am using ninja generator. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpp2umjxeef0.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] manifest-hashes changing to 'BLAKE2B SHA512' on 2017-11-21

2017-11-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:10:11 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > Like FreeBSD Foundation, a real organization paying for development > via grants and other things... > https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ > https://www.freebsdfoundation.or

Re: [gentoo-dev] manifest-hashes changing to 'BLAKE2B SHA512' on 2017-11-21

2017-11-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:15:18 -0500 Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:21 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > > > The council has no power > > over Trustees, and Trustees do have legal power over all o

Re: [gentoo-dev] manifest-hashes changing to 'BLAKE2B SHA512' on 2017-11-21

2017-11-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
I rather see a structure where Council is more like CTO. Still top for technical, but falls under Trustees for oversight, final say, etc. A normal structure like exists in most any business globally. They should work together more as one vs two bodies. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgplVlLDTr5OY.pg

Re: [gentoo-dev] manifest-hashes changing to 'BLAKE2B SHA512' on 2017-11-21

2017-11-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
But in general Trustees cannot dictate to council, its the other way around. Council dictates to Trustees. I doubt it will ever change. I tried long ago. Council has final say on all technical matters unless it involves legalities. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgprHXOabiLOc.pgp Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Server hardaware give away (misc archs)

2017-09-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
rols where it is hosted at, etc. They should be able to "take care" of the equipment. I would not be concerned with Infra caring for the any hardware. Physical stuff would be up to the hosting provider. Making sure its not on fire, or other. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpHNETht1NDX.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:01:08 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > This is more food for thought to start a discussion on new category > names. With Wayland becoming more of a reality every day. I think some > of the x11-* categories may need to c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Server hardaware give away (misc archs)

2017-09-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
es available for developers to use. Then again I had lots of ideas for Gentoo -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpERLkDydGS8.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Server hardaware give away (misc archs)

2017-09-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 10:26:10 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:03:21 +0800 (HKT) > Brendan Horan <bren...@horan.hk> wrote: > > > Just an update for everyone : > > R0b0t1, has the Power 6+ > > Johnso

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] sys-boot/grub:0 (GRUB legacy) sunset planning

2017-09-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ux. I run that on everything now even UEFI. I much prefer it to grub. That maybe an option for grub:0 users, who cannot or do not want to use grub:2. I had issues with grub pxe hardware support. Given that you tend to use syslinux on like usb and iso's. I just stick to one for all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Server hardaware give away (misc archs)

2017-09-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ccount. They may have discounted rates based on volume. Maybe something to consider or look into. Also may help with customs to ship to a work/business address and/or coming from one business to another vs individuals. -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
to generic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface The wikipedia page on UX would make it not suitable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpwgGUX4N5zM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ing forward, in > ordered to maintain a bit of consistency and for lack of a better > idea? I think that is different as you do need X now to differentiate between say X and Wayland. If it was just generic stuff then GUI would make sense. Though usually other stuff handles that, gtk, q

[gentoo-dev] Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
r official categories as this effects the tree not just others overlays etc. I do not really have any ideas for better names. Just seems like a need. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpi3R6nIrlZr.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-benchmarks/jmeter, java-virtuals/javamail, dev-java/{gnu-classpath-inetlib,gnu-javamail,sun-javamail}

2017-08-29 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ked most all foss stuff to Github, and shut down java.net. The good news most all stuff is now under one location. https://github.com/javaee I know this was not ideal. The learning less is to not rename packages per upstream. Per IRC seems it may have been dev-javamail long ago... Time to break out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-benchmarks/jmeter, java-virtuals/javamail, dev-java/{gnu-classpath-inetlib,gnu-javamail,sun-javamail}

2017-08-29 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
amed to just javamail. Final name change https://github.com/javaee/javamail -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp3aRWjNyB8y.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:20:26 -0700 Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 5:26 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > > > Portage supports sets, but the PMS has no mention. Then there is > > debate on what they a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
age. I recall how it came about and the people behind the effort. ~2007-02-09 http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-dev=2=86=pms=b https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Paludis https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Pkgcore -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpC_HOaicpMw.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
does have a PMS proposal that has been stalled it > wouldn't hurt to share it, or if the portage team feels otherwise. Just the needs I have with portage are stalled, marked as invalid. No discussion for inclusion in PMS. Like documenting sets. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpdVWo2WTAJB.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
that. All my systems, servers and workstations run Gentoo. Just with a massive overlay slapped on top. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp8OlFj5Nxey.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
not lazyiness, as it is issues with my ebuild-bumper. It does not handle -r*. If I am bumping a series of packages with version A, to version B, if one has -r1 it requires special attention. This is a personal thing in a personal overlay outside of Gentoo. It would not be proper within Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisions for USE flag changes

2017-08-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
change. Thus merits a revision bump. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp6crcF7gWA4.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
e and > install /some/ file, arguably don't apply at all, tho I suppose there > might be corner cases where they /could/. That is two other cases I did not think of, thanks for mentioning. - virtual ebuilds - meta ebuilds binpkgs of those do not make much sense. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ope of this thread. That still would never give you any 3rd party verification. Why do we not self sign certificates? Why are those not trusted? Trust tends to come from 3rd parties. Even GPG relies on a WOT, without that its pointless. An unsigned GPG key is pretty worthless. Signing stuff wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 11:25:34 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" <wra...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 09/08/17 10:43, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Also your redistributing another's package > > in binary format which may not be legally allowed. > > Just to clarif

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:50:45 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" <wra...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 10/08/17 06:35, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > FYI binpkgs have no hash. If someone did something malicious within > > the binhost to the binpkgs. You have no way of knowi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
not build, but could be forced. There is little benefit at that point but some may prefer those be a binpkg. I have no problem with it being optional. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpZrNRHTl9GN.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 22:23:41 +0200 Francesco Riosa <viv...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-08-09 17:33 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt...@o-sinc.com>: > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 11:07:04 +1000 > > "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" <wra...@gentoo.org> wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
see no difference in installing kernel sources via source ebuild or a binpkg, pre-built ebuild binary. Other than the time it takes to re-package the kernel sources into another tarball. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgprjYBDQKsdt.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:29:40 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" <wra...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 09/08/17 04:20, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:32:48 +0200 > > Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> - You might be apply

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
> > On 08/08/2017 07:23 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > >> it can already be controlled through env files. > > > I was thinking it might, but having used them to skip other > > > hooks. I was thinking they could not be used as such for binar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 20:15:07 +0200 Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 08/08/2017 08:10 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > >> I'm not sure explicitly about environment files, but it's an > >> option to emerge. For instance, I've added this to my > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:32:48 +0200 Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 08/08/2017 07:23 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Can you think of any? I cannot see any operator wanting a binary of > > a binary, or a package of sources. When they alrea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
dpkg-exclude "virtual/* sys-kernel/*-sources dev-perl/* > perl-core/*" Something like this would NOT be desirable. It would have to be done on every system. Package env files, if possible, would be a better approach as that could be distribute to be consistent on all systems. -- William

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ot currently. As mentioned there could be other uses/benefits of such depending on how it is implemented. That is up to others. I just would like to not have binaries made of packages I feel are a waste to be re-packaged into a binpkg. -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:11:18 +0200 Kristian Fiskerstrand <k...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 08/08/2017 06:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > I make a lot of binaries for use on other systems, to expedite > > updates. It does not make sense for some packages to ever be

[gentoo-dev] Prevent binary/non-compiled packages from binary package creation

2017-08-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
support in PMS, or next EAPI at minimum. But I think the EAPI comes from PMS, so they are related. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgptpvQm0C7kK.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Changing PMS to Portage Manager Specification

2017-08-01 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
should not hold back portage development, but portage development hold back the PMS. PMS based on portage, not vice versa. This will be my only post. Feel free to insult me, etc as you like. Just an idea for others to discuss. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp6yzvpOm0cW.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-31 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
running Gentoo is the question. Seeking Gentoo skills and companies running Gentoo are not the same. gentoo https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=gentoo+= It is always lumped in with others, rarely by itself. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpHPsz2_7Qux.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-31 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:59:25 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > Am Montag, 31. Juli 2017, 04:44:58 CEST schrieb William L. Thomson > Jr.: > > > > How about no foundation. Not even a legal entity. No certifications > > from ve

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-30 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
t?" How about no foundation. Not even a legal entity. No certifications from vendors, nor for employees. No one to hire for official support. There are so many things far beyond anything having to do with a stable tree or not. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpvVleoxydNp.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:45:57 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:10:42 -0400 as > excerpted: > > > It seems odd that upstream will release a package. Just for > > downstream to consider it not stable.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:12:26 -0500 "A. Wilcox" <awil...@adelielinux.org> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 28/07/17 15:10, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it > > And by "Y

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
and it can be rock solid for mission critical uses. If the administrators make it such. Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpi2cn00a1i5.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
of the few left is Meetup.com. They run Gentoo as do some others. Seems Tivo does stuff with Gentoo, Google, Sony, etc. Some tend to hire Gentoo devs... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp8mvKMErOs_.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:23:43 +0100 "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.ever...@iee.org> wrote: > On 12/07/17 17:07, Gordon Pettey wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > > <wlt...@o-sinc.com <mailto:wlt...@o-sinc.com>> wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:07:00 -0500 Gordon Pettey <petteyg...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > > That is my point. That message is always there. The chance that it > > is ignored i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
situations in one it does not exists now, removing dependencies. Clearly you are having a hard time grasping this very simple concept. I am done, reply if you like, but this thread is serious noise now... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpI3YxGNphyg.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
install. > only whether it is listed in a set; or to check if it's a > dependency of /something/ and, if so, redirect the user to the > command they should be using anyway? You mean like emerge --unmerge does already that you pointed out above. After mentioning useful messages vs noise. Again funny! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpQjPL9OBJa_.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:19:32 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" <wra...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 12/07/17 15:14, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Is it in system? > > Is it in a set? > > Is it in world? > > If no to all, its a dep, warn! > > Al

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ah etc. There are several ways to go about this that are not complex. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp_HMN_6hxYC.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
al package :) Add warning message when -C/--unmerge a dependency like system, profile, and set files. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624630 -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp5mukQUK6hy.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
t's what Choice and > Gentoo is all about ... Its not for me. It is not re-inventing the wheel. It is safe guard stuff that benefits all. See bugs. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp9uZ61eHSJZ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
rder to prevent needless stuff from being recorded in world. Please do not assume what I am or am not doing and problems I am not having. This is stuff for others. I am seeing problems that OTHERS can run into per the discussion on sets. From things OTHERS mentioned as issues with using sets. Bugs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:20:54 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > For anyone interested in such, I opened a feature request bug for > allowing use of sets in profile packages. > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624300 > Subs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ying to offer explanation and guidance to help you make this > happen. It's clear that you care about it, so I'm sure there's a way > for this to go forward. I do not, long as it is not insulting which it does not contain anything of the sort. Though the discussion or mention of -c/--depclean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:27:57 -0700 Daniel Campbell <z...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 07/10/2017 04:37 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400 > > > A rule for portage could be; > > > > - If the package is not in wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Native vs Scripting language for portage speed concerns was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
person a few years ago during a meeting in Southern California... Around the time I put jem on Github. It is really hard to start over if/when that happens. Thus doing it piece meal maybe easier. Though may still end up with spaghetti in the end. Hopefully it runs fast and taste good :) -- Wil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
me different features. Need to check out pkgcore. Though I am not the one complaining about time. Just saying for those who are... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp78rFL5QpTN.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Native vs Scripting language for portage speed concerns was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 20:12:28 -0500 R0b0t1 <r03...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:56 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: >> > > IMHO anyone complaining about time taking for dependency resolution > > etc. They should spen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Native vs Scripting language for portage speed concerns was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:47:45 -0500 Gordon Pettey <petteyg...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> > wrote: > > > On pon, 2017-07-10 at 17:40 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > Stop getting lost in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Auto adding packages to world was -> Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 19:22:47 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: > > That part does not require it to resolve deps. Just check world file, > assuming its correct. Though could be thrown off if say gcc, or > another was in the world file. I think th

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