Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2008/2009 Nominations end TODAY 23:59 UTC

2008-06-18 Thread Joshua Jackson

 I think tsunam and kingtaco are the same, but I'll wait for them to make
 those statements themselves.

While I thank those who nominated me, as in past years I've declined the
nomination in favor of working on other possibilities. I wish those who
are running the best of luck.

So yes I decline the nomination.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-02 Thread joshua jackson

Wulf C. Krueger wrote:

 On Wednesday, 02. April 2008 22:46:16 Petteri Räty wrote:
 How does having the average time between commits be at most a week
 sound and if it goes under that, undertakers will get a notification?

 It sounds like you're trying to get rid of someone.


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Yep its me!

Seriously...we don't need to be paranoid people.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-13 Thread joshua jackson

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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| Hi all,
| snip
| Cheers

interestingly enough ixnay...I've tried contacting you about working 
together with Gentoo and on things related to eapi as sabayon is one of 
the more popular distributions that has somewhat of a basis on Gentoo 
(I've tried approximately 3-4 times in the last year or so) . Every time 
I tried from 4 different domain accounts including my Gentoo one I was 
denied the ability to send you an email.


While I'm sure many comments are going to be a bit harsh if realistic 
please do feel free to talk to any of the developers.


Splitting isn't really realistic as that is getting away from upstream. 
As an organization we try to maintain the same way as upstream intends. 
If they say that mysql is not a collection of server, client then its 
just mysql. Xorg is a perfect example. It was a huge package, that got 
split up. It took Donnie and the rest of the X team a while to get 
everything ready for the tree but we followed upstream in having 
individual packages for the different aspects of the larger project.


Please feel free to contact me directly if you wish
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-13 Thread joshua jackson

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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| Hi Joshua,
| I never had issues with my emails. So I don't really know what to
| answer you regarding to your issues :)
| SPLIT: Although I think it can be a suboptimal thing for us, I can
| understand your policy. Let me add that, to me, the biggest issue is
| about (R)DEPEND. Splitting packages and maintaining in an overlay it's
| not that hard.
|
|
|
I personally have no desire to follow the redhat/debian/other binary
packaging systems which split up infinitesimally small packages. It
causes a lot more busywork in my opinion then any potential benefits
that it gains you.

As far as the depend issue you mentioned: Having both Rdepends and
Depends isn't as far as I'm aware part of any EAPI currently (Correct me
if I'm wrong people). Rdepends are needed for the builds so you will
often see either RDEPENDS=${DEPEND} or vice versa. If its not there then
its more of a matter of accounting then anything. I would think, and
correct me if I'm wrong again, that it would make sense that if you only
have RDEPENDS or DEPEND, then those same applications are required in
the runtime of the application. Does it need to be explicitly stated? So
far the three package manager that I'm aware of all manage this fine.
Those being portage, paludis, and pkgcore. If there are other package
managers out there that might have issues Its a perfect example of a
reason to be involved in the EAPI discussions to help define what is
needed and where.

So what I suggest to you is perhaps looking over the EAPI=0 draft
documentation and proposing some additions and or modifications that
benefit everyone (not just one person), as its designed to be a standard
for anyone who makes use of ebuilds and beyond.

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf

Is the current form, but halcy0n is working on an updated version of it
for the next council meeting.
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[gentoo-dev] Google SOC 2008

2008-02-26 Thread joshua jackson
All,

Google is once again doing the summer of code for students. I'm helping
organize it this year and am putting out a call for some elements to help.

1) We need idea's for things to do. Diego has already submitted some via
his blog which have been taken into consideration.
2) We need mentors, so far confirmed I have: Diego and Saleem

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Google SOC 2008

2008-02-26 Thread joshua jackson
Rémi Cardona wrote:
 joshua jackson a écrit :
 2) We need mentors, so far confirmed I have: Diego and Saleem

 What kind of work is involved there? I wouldn't mind being a mentor
 but I'd like to know a bit more about what's expected from a good
 mentor.

 Thanks,

 Rémi
There's a few requirements. Being decent in a language or multiple
languages would certainly be a plus, as the students are writing code.
having someone writing something in C or C++ when you've never touched
it wouldn't exactly work out that well obviously.

Having time to interact with the student as well. They are getting paid
as are we as an organization, so helping them and giving them idea's is
needed. Touching base and making sure they are still progressing on
their projects. Its summer...but they are being paid to work so it is a
job as I hope as a mentor you would take a similar approach as well.

Basically you act as a technical boss/mentor/leader to someone.

One area I'm working on for this year is goals within the overall goal
that can be implemented hopefully even if the project isn't fully
finished before the end of the project.

For the mentor it won't be a full time commitment but having time to
talk with/help someone with their project and explain how to implement
this feature or get this information from Gentoo's system would take
some time.

As a warning some people come on board with excellent programming
ability that you don't need to do much with/for. Some well its their
first real jump into programming and need more attention. I plan on
having a few additional questions for the Gentoo related applications to
help define that kind of thing and hope to get people together in such a
way.

As well a few of the people who are helping run it have agreed to help
poke/get updates from the mentors and step in and help in whatever way
possible to the students as well. Basically, we want as many projects to
succeed as possible and become a daily tool or vastly improved tools as
possible. Its certainly something that is possible.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-29 Thread joshua jackson
Grant Goodyear wrote:
 Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
 a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
 we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
 earlier.

 So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?

 If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
 we going to do differently this year?

 I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
 some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
 that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told that we
 have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
 fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
 also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
 students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
 of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
 despite the fact that some good work was done last year.

 Thoughts?  Comments?

 -g2boojum-
   
 

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That's one of the things that will be discussed at the upcoming User Rel
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Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-29 Thread joshua jackson
George Prowse wrote:
 Grant Goodyear wrote:
 Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be
 a 2008 Google Summer of Code.  I expect that if we want to participate,
 we're going to have to have our ducks in a row by March, if not
 earlier.

 So, does Gentoo want to participate this year?

 If so, who's going to run it?  Who's going to help?  What are
 we going to do differently this year?

 I'll help if it's something people want to do, but I'd like to see
 some serious changes this year.  I'd like us to only accept proposals
 that we actually think are quite good.  In the past we've been told
 that we
 have N slots to fill, so we choose the best N proposals, despite the
 fact that we often only get a handful of exceptional proposals.  I'd
 also like to see us require weekly public status reports from our
 students.  Quick show of hands: how many people know how what any
 of our students accomplished last year?  I doubt there are many,
 despite the fact that some good work was done last year.

 Thoughts?  Comments?

 -g2boojum-

 How does the SoC work within Gentoo? Do the developers suggest things
 they want worked on or do the users suggest things, the developers
 okay it and then they get worked on or what?

 George
To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by
developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by
the User Rel/SOC Staff and put into an order of projects to submit to
Google. They then decide which ones they approve of to fund for the
students to work on.

Ultimately its up to google to decide on the projects and how many get
funded but we as the project have some say in the order they view them
in. This year I'm hoping to get some decent projects that are attainable
in the summer for students. We've had unfortunately some that have
gotten fairly far but didn't get finished. This will also require
mentors who work with the students who can help them succeed as well.
Its something I'll be bringing up soon as well to discuss with the
developer pool (as my understanding is that at least one mentor must be
part of the project), doesn't eliminate mentors from the community but
it'd be 2 instead of just one

I need to go over more details about it but would like to apply again as
a project.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-20 Thread joshua jackson
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Blackace wrote:
 I'd like to nominate:

 vapier
 tsunam
 nightmorph
 seemant
 avenj
 christel

 Although most of them will probably decline, I think they would do an
 excellent job straightening out Gentoo's heading and have the barnacles
 to perform the requisite keelhauling.

 Thanks,
 Blackace.

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so...
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-19 Thread joshua jackson
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Jakub Moc wrote:
 Petteri Räty napsal(a):
 Or just do it via package.use in profiles until IUSE defaults are
 implemented.

 Regards,
 Petteri

 As noted before, they are implemented, just not allowed in the tree.
 Plus, what vapier said, this info belongs to the ebuilds, not to profiles.

 Wrt pidgin - seriously, what's the big issue here? Users can't use
 emerge -pv output and determine what they want, or? Will we bloat the
 profiles everytime someone forgets to enable a flag and goes complain
 upstream about a 'missing' feature?



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Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was
nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to
what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I
think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by
default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags.
Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why
the heck there isn't a yahoo account available.

This should be a nothing change to do. Its also working with upstream
and maintaining some good relationships here..and or help improve them
in general. That should in fact you know...be part of our goalsto
improve communications between Gentoo and other projects.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-tv/freevo

2007-07-11 Thread joshua jackson
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Robert Buchholz wrote:
 On Wednesday, 11. July 2007 21:28, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 Hi,

 # unmaintained, masked for removal, bug 156497
 # You can find a new version in the sunrise overlay
 media-tv/freevo-1.7.2

 I'll take over (proxy) maintenance of it, beandog (media-tv) agreed to
 lend a hand and we have _AxS_ from #gentoo-sunrise for the rescue who
 already committed the ebuild there.
 Moving it over to the tree as soon as I have a closer look at it.

 The package.mask for 1.7 stays.

 Robert
I might not use it, however its good that one of the two main vdr
applications is staying in the tree. Thank you for taking up the
maintenance on it Robert.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for more photos on planet.g.o

2007-07-11 Thread joshua jackson
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Rémi Cardona wrote:
 Hi everyone,
[snip]
 Rémi
Does that mean that my tophat = funky picture of myself? if you have
no clue which I'm talking about..

http://planet.gentoo.org/images/tsunam.png

isn't that however the point, to have fun with it?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-12 Thread Joshua Jackson
Benjamin Judas wrote:
 Am Dienstag, den 12.06.2007, 22:44 +0100 schrieb Stephen Bennett:
   
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:10:32 +0200
 Benjamin Judas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 ...which means that he has a documented history of trolling not only
 on mailinglists but also in irc-channels; not only against developers
 but also against volunteering users.
   
 So do most people on this list.
 

 Stealing a single lollipop doesn't make you a villain. 
 Continuously running amok and shooting at people for years does.
   
 

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Can we possibly get back onto whatever the heck the topic might of
been...else this just is going to prove that we don't know when to take
things from the mailing list to just emails to individuals...



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Re: [gentoo-dev] 1/2 OT: splitting packages

2007-05-14 Thread Joshua Jackson
Daniel Ostrow wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 23:18 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
   
 Hi folks,


 I know this issue is not actually in the scope of this list, but
 maybe some of you might be interested:

 Lots of packages have optional parts which (IMHO) should/could be 
 their own packages, ie. GUI frontends to console tools (aumix) or 
 several language bindings of certain libs/toolkits. 

 Those things tend to produce circular dependencies, which can
 only be solved with tricks like multiple builds, special useflags
 like build or bootstrap. 

 For example berkeley db: it written in C and has additional 
 bindings for C++ and Java. This produces two kind of problems:

 a) for the base system we must take care that it's built w/o them. 
 b) if some package needs an special binding, dependencies get tricky
(AFAIK portage cannot solve feature deps yet)

 An clean solution would be having the bindings as separate packages.
 Of course, often the upstream is not ready for this yet, and it's
 not in the scope of an distro like gentoo to such heavy changes.

 But those splits really should be done (IMHO) to make things a lot 
 easier. So let's do it - do the split and try to convince the 
 upstream to get it in.
 

 We release our packages as upstream intends. If they don't split them,
 we don't split them, talk to upstream not us. This is what use flags are
 for...

 --Dan
   
At what point is your sand so fine that you can't identify it as a
grain. In other words...this induces a much larger set of packages that
at least in my opinion would waste a lot of developer time for not a lot
or any benefit, and as mentioned by Daniel we follow upstream and if
they want it as one large package, we'll do it as well.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs

2007-04-26 Thread Joshua Jackson
Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote:
 On 4/26/07, Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Case 2 - Metadata contains a single maintainer
 --
 - The herd field is not used.
 - The maintainer address is used as the bugzilla assignee.
 This is important for all the herds that have aliases that are NOT the
 same as their herd name!
 This diverges from existing manual practice, to avoid unnecessary
 duplicate mail, and means that existing metadata may need a cleanup.

 It should take devaway into account.

why? Seriously, dev-away != dev retired... having it take devaway into
account is pointless in my opinion as it won't improve it being properly
assigned...as it'll be covered in other cases, and its not like there's
not bugs for all of us dev's that have not sat there for a month or so,
at some point



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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Joshua Jackson
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:57:39 +0200
 Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Funnily enough... If we're going by PMS drafts, that's illegal
 whereas multiple suffixes are legal. PMS permits multiple suffixes,
 but limits any individual version component to eight digits to avoid
 problems with integer overflows, floating point precision etc.
   
 And when PMS specifies that together with a proper way to compare 
 multiple suffixes there will be no problem.
 

 PMS *does* specify a proper way of comparing multiple version suffixes
 (and version specs with a leading zero for that matter). I'm not
 particularly happy with the wording, but as far as I can see the
 description is at least correct, even if it isn't clear.

   
Alright guys,

This is enough. PMS is a work in progress its not going to cover
everything that users and developers are going to be in some  cases
boneheaded enough to actually pull off (always have edge conditions).
We're continuing to downgrade here and quite frankly the discussions
seem be getting into tangents more then the actual topic at hand (you
know...the fact about what the proper suffix format is), and that is up
to the council to decide. If you have issues with the council, bring it
up in the proper channel, as others have mentioned where its at.


Now either get it back on topic, take it to private emails to discuss
between yourselves, or take up the issues that relate to the council, to
the councils mailing-list/members. They are actually you know...alive
and willing to talk to you.

Annoyed proctor out



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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Joshua Jackson

   
 
 Ciaran,

 You missed the bandwagon on trying to use the conspiracy theories
 phrase already. That happened a full 24 hrs ago. I'm sorry you were
 off-line. Next time try to come to the party on time, otherwise keep quiet.
   
Already been handled as its offtopic, please just let this one drop.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: File collisions

2007-04-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
Rob C wrote:


 On 19/04/07, *Christian Faulhammer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  On the issue of QA, I think enabling FEATURES=collision-detect by
  default would do a lot more good at this stage than test.

 Arch teams normally have collision-protect enabled when doing
 keywording/stablingin my eyes this is sufficient.

 V-Li


 Its obviously not, Many users are reporting file-collisions on a
 weekly basis. So either this isn't sufficient or the arch teams are
 not acting as you describe.

 -Rob

Rob,

Please watch it when saying that the arch teams are not acting as
described. I can tell you that we catch what comes to us. We don't get
every single package pushed on us as some never go through stable
testing, and we don't have every single package installed(that's
unrealistic). If they do then if there is a collision a note is filed in
the bug and we wait for a fix, as it actually does bail you out of the
build. This has been the mantra of at least x86 since the creation of
the team.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Christina Fullam (musikc)

2007-04-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
Christian Heim wrote:
 It's my pleasure to introduce to you Christina (Chrissy) Fullam (also know as 
 musikc on IRC) our latest addition joining Developer relations, more precise 
 conflict resolution and will probably join Chris' GWN minions.

 Christina is joining us from Greenville, SC (that's in the southeastern part 
 of the USA) where she's currently working as an IT manager with social skills 
 for Erwin-Penland.

 When Chrissy isn't around computers (which she is most of the time), she's 
 trying to pet Chris (yeah, wolf31o2) and her other pets (like cats, dog, 
 ferrets); reading weird books (like 'office politics') and rearranging her 
 desk (sorry, Chrissy 3).

 So please welcome Christina as a new fellow developer among us !

 Regards,

Christian

   
Oh goodie, I can flirt with wolf's woman now too :-D *ducks*



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Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-13 Thread Joshua Jackson



 The arch teams have been pushing for this for a long time. They're
 trying to get this enforced, but are having limited success because
 there's no way for FEATURES=test to become widely used that won't lead
 to broken user systems. Moving src_test to be always on in future EAPIs
 is an easy way of helping arch teams achieve this goal without breaking
 anyone's system in the meantime.

   

Erm, no I have not at all (speaking as a project lead for x86). Test is
not viable for a lot of reason as being on by default. One that I can
come up with off the top of my head is php. The test suite for it makes
test inadvisable on any desktop system, I'd say the same for a server as
well. Not to mention that a lot of upstream test functions are in fact
themselves broken because they require dependencies that are not
required for the application itself. This is not a simple case of
downstream (being gentoo) doing this. There has to be quite a bit
changed for test to be viable and even then I don't think it really is
unfortunately due to test packages that can take 12+ hours on a decently
equipped modern system.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-10 Thread Joshua Jackson
Petteri Räty wrote:
 Alexandre Buisse kirjoitti:
   
 What I *want* to do is to make gentoo fun again. And I believe that
 decentralising and giving more autonomy to people will achieve exactly
 that, for reasons explained in the proposal.

 

 I am a project lead for two projects and have no idea what kind of more
 autonomy I would need for my two projects.

 Regards,
 Petteri
 --
 Gentoo/Java project lead
 Gentoo/Recruiters project lead

   
I agree as a Project lead of another...I don't think more autonomy is
needed..Basically I'm allowed to do what Is best with the team (and that
amounts to mostly just patting people on the back. Good job x86 team
members btw ---see there's a pat on the back). So really, I think most
project leads are there to a, give a direction to the team, and once its
there twiddle our thumbs and go yay I got good people under me who work
hard. its management at its finest ;)



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Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Michael Cummings wrote:
 When you pop into your mail client of choice and find 50+ unread
messages in the
 last few hours, you know what kind of day [EMAIL PROTECTED] is having.

 Don't suppose we could get on with that silly topical thing of development?
 Surely there's a usenet channel where you can discuss conspiracy.gentoo at
 length? Or at least take it to the user list?

 /me stretches and blinks

 So, fellow devs, what's new with development? For those interested,
genlop has
 migrated into gentoo as a project with the permission of upstream, which no
 longer maintain it. Um...any new tools or projects people are working on?

 Anyone?

I'm working on figuring out how to fix things I don't maintain (stupid
lack of graphics *bonks the app*)..and trying to get motivated to deal
with a package that has a nasty install to be upgraded to a new
version. Does that count?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Hiatus (sort of)

2007-03-30 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Petteri Räty wrote:
 Paul de Vrieze kirjoitti:
 Hi all,

 Me and my wife and son are moving to Australia. We are now waiting for
the visa's to arrive, and after that will need some time to set
ourselves up. Our computers however are being shipped as we speak and
will only arive in australia after roughly 6 weeks. I'm looking to buy a
laptop, but connectivity will be problematic anyways. As such I will not
be able to contribute as much as I would like.

 Paul

 So I am guessing this means that we are free to touch your packages?

I think betelgeuse really wants to touch your packages
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Another council topic for Feb

2007-02-04 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Mike Doty wrote:
 We're going to talk about arch keywording policies.  IMO we should have
 a standard policy if you own and use ${ARCH} then you may keyword your
 packages for ${ARCH} with the exception of the sys-*/ categories.

 Speakup now to get your input in.

This is a horrible idea hearkening back to the problems we had a long
time ago. The stable tree's were broken messes that were that way
because developers ran ~arch but tested an app they wanted stable and
as long as it ran it was marked as such. I will protest any kind of
arch kerwording to the hilt. If you want to mark something ~arch and
have the arch that is fine with me. However this entire plan will kill
the arch teams that have not only improved the stable trees, they have
proved to be a valuable tool for recruiting, as both the x86 and amd64
team have have a 60+% ratio of arch testers becoming developers.

In other words *smacks everyone with the protest sign*
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-11-06 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Jon Portnoy wrote:
 I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for
 sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop.

 I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can
 find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive.

 And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2
 has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;)

 Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :)

 I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev.


As I was gone for a week I didn't see this til this weekend, via
seemant's blog. I was good and didn't reply til today to take that
full week off. I'm sad to see you go  Jon but know that you will
continue to do great things so good luck in whatever you end up
getting involved in
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Beryl maintainer needed

2006-10-16 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Hanno Böck wrote:
 Hi,

 As you may know, beryl is a fork of the famous window- and
composite-manager
 compiz (beryl formerly was named compiz-quinnstorm).

 I'm maintaining the compiz package and at first thought I'd also take
beryl,
 but I'd prefer if someone else could take it. My personal opinion is
that I
 don't really see the point of this fork, but there are many users out
there
 that seem to like it.

 There are already testing-ebuilds of beryl in the coffee-overlay
 (www.xgl-coffee.org). There's a guy with the nick nesl247, who regularly
 hangs out in #gentoo-xgl on freenode that wrote those ebuilds.

 If any Gentoo dev wants to take care of beryl, please take bug 150033. You
 should review those ebuilds in the coffee-overlay together with nesl
and then
 add them to portage.

 cu,

 Hanno ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

I can think of one reason...it doesn't depend on a ton of gnome stuff
^.^;;
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Jeffrey Gardner (je_fro)

2006-10-06 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Jim Ramsay wrote:
 Petteri Räty wrote:
 He has played bass guitar for 20 years or so. Considering that he has
 been doing it before I was born, one would think he is some kind of an
 expert but maybe he is just modest when he says that he could be a LOT
 better.

 Excellent, another member of the soon-to-be-famous Gentoo rock band! I
 think Joshua Jackson (tsunam) has already volunteered to be the
 singer :)  What is it, three new musical devs so far in the last 2
 weeks?

Ack! we want people to come to gentoo not scare them off _
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Last rites for $package ...

2006-09-28 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Enrico Weigelt wrote:
 Hi folks,
 snip
To be perfectly honest, we're not going to hold someone's hand with
this. We shouldn't be expected to. A package will be in mask for a
month before its removed. That's a good warning sign that something is
up. You can view the package mask file and see the reason behind it,
as well you have this mailing list where announcements about what is
masked and when its removed. If people can't find the reason from all
those sources of data..then quite frankly..there's a larger issue
going on with them.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New dev: dev-zero

2006-09-27 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Simon Stelling wrote:
 Hi all,

 It is with great pleasure that I announce the devification of
 Tiziano 'dev-zero' Müller. He writes us:

 I'm from Zurich, Switzerland. Born here and still living here  :-)
  I'm studying physics at the University of Zurich and working in a
 small company as IT responsabilitee and software engineer.

 I also worked on a subproject of the LHC (Large Hadron Collider),
 called LHCb. I'm responsible for the database design and
 implementation (postgresql) for the sensor test database.

 Besides that I'm working as a freelance software consultant for a
 couple of private customers.

 If I'm not working, I'm playing the violin or watching movies.

 With this addition, the Swiss conspiracy soon will be powerful
 enough to bribe everybody else with chocolate, so you better watch
 out.

 Everybody please give Tiziano a warm welcome!

Another one for the band...get someone with the drums and you could
make a folksy old world gentoo song *interesting very interesting*

oh and chocolate! if its in fact white chocolate which isn't real
chocolate but thats something for another time. Welcome aboard. I
think this calls for a beer and chocolate party (any excuse ;) )
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Tristan Heaven (nyhm)

2006-09-26 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Simon Stelling wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am proud to announce Tristan Heaven as the latest addition to the
 Gentoo developer community! Heaven knows why he wants to contribute
 to Gentoo: To help the games herd maintaining the games-*/
 categories. Tristan is 19 and lives in a small town in England, near
 the Lake District. In his free time he is mostly busy
 playing^W_testing_ games, so we can all be assured that any
 stablization requests filed by him have gone through a careful inquiry.

 Welcome Tristan!

Oh goodie another person who just likes to act like a developer but
really wants to just play games like Wolf. *wink* Welcome aboard
Tristan enjoy being a slave to the people now MUAHHAHAHAHAHAH.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] seeds, GLEPs, and projects

2006-09-21 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Simon Stelling wrote:
 Grant Goodyear wrote:
 If we
 (being Gentoo) say that we're going to do something, and then things
 fall through, it might make us look bad, after all.

 Maybe it's just me being stupid, but what exactly do we have to loose?
 (This is a serious question, I'd appreciate serious answers.)

Well, I'd probably say. The respect of others both in and out of the
open source community.

Secondarily I'd say that we lose a bit of the corporate ready
appearance that some are working towards (which I don't oppose).

Third, we lose the respect of each other in the project. Seriously,
its not something to be thought of lightly. If a project you announce
fails, people will remember oh Simon started so and so, and it failed
utterly.

/me considers these to be serious replies ^.^;; --the face however
isn't *wink*
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 2006.1

2006-09-02 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Edgar Hucek wrote:
 Apeal on extended testing :

 Developer, please test things more carefull before you
 release it.
 I already found things which does not compile out of
 the box.
 1.) Use wacom does not compile out of the box. You
 have to unmask linuxwacom.
 2.) Enable the use flage accessibility gnome cant be
 merged. It fails on compile the speech-tools.

 It seams that USE flags are not realy tested or how
 can it happen that there are already know bugs in the
 stable distro ?

 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116030

 Festival and the speech-tools are well know not to
 compile with gcc =4.

 cu

 Edgar (gimli) Hucek

Well, thank you for your concern Edgar, however in the future would
you please at least look at all the work that went into the release of
this. There were months of testing by the releng team in association
with the arch teams to ensure that as much was ready to go. I'd like
to also point out a few people who went above the call on x86 to get
things filed. Ryan Hill (dirtyepic) filed many many many bugs as
blockers for 4.1.1 going stable at my request. The Archtesters for all
teams as well worked very hard testing things to make sure they worked
as w ell. Before it went stable, almost all were stabilized if they
could be. There are a few packages not ported yet in the games
category but we weren't going to let that stop the progress either.

Quite frankly saying that we didn't do enough testing, is a insult to
everyone who worked on this release. No release is going to be perfect
for us as a project, what we have attempted and I believe been
successful with is making the transition as painless as possible.

~Joshua
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-Status

2006-08-21 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Seemant Kulleen wrote:
 Your concerns are well noted. The trustees in general are quiet even
 amongst themselves, but I hope this changes with the new board coming in
 next week (ish?).  It's been my idea to propose that someone (tsunam was
 in my head) publish a trustee monthly news or something.

 The one I'm curious about is the council -- the council posts to -dev
 before and after every meeting (and puts meeting logs up on the website
 within days of a meeting).  I suppose the webpage itself could be
 updated, but I'm unsure what else the council can do.  Perhaps you have
 some ideas?

 Thanks!
Oh, even more reason to poke the trustee's! *grins evilly and starts
singing*

Its so easy when your evil.
To the gentleman, I'm Miss Fortune
To the ladies, I'm Sir prise

I'm the fly in your soup
I'm the pebble in your shoe
I'm the pea beneath, your bed that makes you wriggle and writhe

In otherwords I'll do it :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer

2006-08-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Mike Doty wrote:
 Christian Heim wrote:
 The media-sound/alsaplayer package is pending removal as requested
 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] for multiple buffer overflows [1], dead upstream
 [1] and a crash occurring when playing uLaw/AU Audio File [2].

 The package is currently masked and is pending removal on 15th
 September.

 [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143402
 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143742

 Flameeyes is afk at the moment, but I know he usually maintains this.
aye he does and its been discussed before. I at least talked to him
about it, the problem is that alsaplayer is a self contained product
that nothing else truly fills the shoes of. Other things are simple
but they depend on a lot more..etc. Its just a funky little app that
no one has really replaced.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Joshua Jackson
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 ex.

 gcc 4.1.1 works on x86 with the following:

 USE=gtk nls -bootstrap -build -doc -fortran -gcj -hardened -ip28
 -ip32r10k -mudflap -multislot -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test
 -vanilla

 Looks OK to me. But hey, aren't arch devs and testers alike supposed to
 test (almost) all flags? And also, wouldn't you also want to know about
 FEATURES, specifically FEATURES='{test,collision-detect}'? How about
 KEYWORDS? You would still need to be able to find the full `emerge info`
 in an attachment, I guess.
Heck no, I'd spend a few weeks just testing for example php. That's
deranged at its best and insane at the worst. The request as put out
to the arch testers is to use the system like they use any system,
just that they only run x86, amd64 other packages except for what they
are going to be testing. As far as features go we ask that they run
the same as a developer should, test collision-protect on top of what
is already added by default. Keywords is not useful for the arch teams
as we know that the AT's run $arch and not ~$arch. However at least
saying x86 okie with me here would be a requirement

 I still think failures should be reported in separate bugs, as they are
 likely to cause lots more information to be passed.


 Kind regards,
  JeR


Actually, one thing that you might not know is that quite a few of the
archtesters are capable programmers, they've tested a build that
failed and went about submitting a patch that would fix the issue
right there on the stabilization bug. Now you might want to say why
are they not developers yet. Part of that is probably, because they
haven't been approached by a developer yet, the second is that some
can't dedicate more time then what they are doing currently to help
the project, and that is alright. They are helping the arch teams
immensely and I'm thankful for them taking their own time to be doing
what they are doing. I might not always say thank you on the bugs,
however I feel it everyday.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Update notes on -p ?

2006-08-08 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Enrico Weigelt wrote:
 Hi folks,


 some packages print out important notices on install/update.
 I'd like to see those notes before actually updating, so when
 using --pretend.

 I'd like to see this as an feature. We could put those texts into
 some ebuild variable or an separate file, so emerge can show it
 on emerge.

 Yes, I tried --changelog with several packages, but it actually
 didn't show up anything. And I'm not sure if the changelog isn't
 too much text for the user - I only want those things, which
 today get printed out as important notices while/after emerging.


 cu
Another option is to use the new elog feature in the 2.1 portage, if
you look at the make.conf.example, it'll explain how to use it. Its
quite useful even if its after the fact, but you won't miss them at least.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-doc/chmlib - call for maintainer

2006-08-08 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Ryan Hill wrote:
 Raphael Marichez wrote:

 app-doc/chmlib is without an active ebuild maintainer and has an open
security
 bug [1]

 Anyone willing to take care of this package in the future, please update
 metadata.xml and CC yourself on the bug.

 [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143181

 if no one else takes it (and i sneak by the recruiters ;)) i can.  i use it
 daily and follow the ml.

 --de.

Gasp! my mentee isn't in the sea like a good mentee should be *gets
out the cow tazer* Back you go back to the sea and holding your pole
for the oil companies. Glad you want to take things on though :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Upgrade! Steve Dibbs

2006-08-06 Thread Joshua Jackson

Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
Hi all, 


It is with geat pleasure that I can knight Steve (aka beandog) a
'real dev'. Under Mike (KingTacos) hawkeyed glance I have recruited my
first recruitee (hmm, it's not really called recruitee is it?) and am
embarking upon a joyful^Wstressful time as a recruiter.. 


Enough about me (although being female I feel compelled to try steal the
show..), most of you already know of Steve as he has been with the User
Relations project as our Planet monkey for a while and is also heavily
involved with the larrythecow.org/net community project, and of course
from his contributions to the GWN. He will now be joining in with
antarus' efforts of bleaching^Wcleaning the tree as a QA tree cleaner
and I suspect he will be slaving away with the media-video herd. I
wouldn't be surprised if we see him infiltrating other projects too, I'd
urge the following few projects to look out; AMD64, media-tv and
Knowlegde Base!

So yeah, bottoms up for beandog! (No, not that sort of bottoms Chris
White..)

Christelxx
  


He's also volunteered to help out on the x86 project as well. I swear 
I didn't push him off that cliff in any way. *wink*


welcome aboard...now you just need to go insane to be truly one of us
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August

2006-08-04 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Lance Albertson wrote:
 Curtis Napier wrote:

 I got to chat with the CEO of the company that donated that equipment
 and the wait was *more* than worth it. Once it's up and running our
 bugzilla will be rock solid and fast fast fast fast fast for years to
come.

 Well, as I stated before. Having nice hardware will help a lot, but if
 we could get upstream bugzilla folks to fix some of these issues instead
 of us having to resort to a clustered database structure would be the
 better solution in the long run. A fast db cluster/web server means
 nothing if the database structure behind the app isn't done properly. It
 might be worth it for someone to maybe look at the problem in the code
 and see if we can patch it from our end and then submit those patches
 upstream. That approach generally works better. But I fear that the
 change needed to be done on it might involve so much change/work, it may
 not be worth it. Who knows, maybe its worth finding another bug database
 app, or even be crazy and write our own for a long term solution.

 Cheers-

Here's the question, gnome's bugzilla has over twice as many bugs as
we have, is quite speedy and doesn't seem to suffer from the OOM
killers that our bugzilla has. So what's the difference? Did gnome
just toss hardware at the problem to make it go away or have they done
something to make bugzilla work for them?

I think throwing hardware at the problem is the wrong approach in this
case, as its just delaying the problem that has made the new hardware
seem like the solution...which will no doubt creep up again.

Don't get me wrong, the donation of hardware from gni is greatly
appreciated. I'd just to see that we try and see why we have the
problem in the first place as well. As I'm sure that this problem will
creep up again
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Make FEATURES=test the default

2006-08-04 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
 I'd like to suggest we make FEATURES=test (and therefore USE=test) the
 default behaviour, rather than the opt-in we currently have.  Far too
 many packages fail their test phase.

 Since we encourage users to set CFLAGS in ways that upstream may not
 have predicted, if upstream go to the trouble of providing tests it
 seems sensible to me that they should be run, unless there is a very
 good reason not to run them.  This will help pick up faults that are due
 to the compiler version, CFLAGS etc much more consistently.

 At the very least, ebuild maintainers and ATs should be running with
 tests switched on.  If the tests are known to fail then the ebuild can
 either RESTRICT=test, or just return successfully from src_test()
 where the test report is useful even if some tests fail.

 Thoughts?
I can say from experience that there are a great heaping load of
packages currently that fail their test suite, the sci-team seems to
be the best in this regard for passing the tests successfully. If we
do in fact plan on making this the default, we should be prepared for
a increase in bugs from  users who will now have ebuilds stop on
failed test suites. While I agree that it would be nice to see more
people using test and collision-protect I don't think its something we
should enable at this point in time till we have many packages working
correctly with the feature. If however people feel that by enabling
it, that it'll make us actually fix these issues then I'd like to see
it move forward. I'm just curious as to why this has come up suddenly
Kevin?

p.s I hope all dev's run with test and collision-protect, I know I
know you don't but I can hope.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-07-31 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

 Knowing what the problem is is part of making the solution. The problem
 is not that users can't push arbitrary content into a centralised
 official repository with no oversight from the herds appropriate for
 said content quickly enough. I didn't claim to know exactly what the
 real problem is, merely that it's not what's being solved here.


There is a lot of irony in this entire discussion. We are actually
talking about going against what the heck part of the reason this
project was started. Are we seriously that *can't find the word I'm
looking for* idiotically to not see that we're arguing over not
allowing a user a choice in what they want to do. That we are so high
and mighty that we automatically know what is better for the user then
they themselves know? Who defined us as the ones to make that choice
for someone else, when we are supposedly about allowing choice.

That is the issue at hand at the core of this. Its called choice.
People can choose to use a separate program to download the sunrise
overlays. That separates it entirely from the core tree itself. A
disclaimer for checking out could be added that is prominent that will
warn that these are a service provided to the community from the
community. That those who have gone through the developer mentorship
will continue to work on the core of the heart of gentoo, allowing us
to focus and make the product so much better and quicker that you'll
be blindsided with the new improved product. We'll have a rebirth so
to speak.

Bloody, I mean seriously...think about what it is we are arguing over,
and then remember what gentoo is, why you came to it in the first
place. That will probably tell you where it should go.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-30 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Thierry Carrez wrote:

 Those were nominated but did not (yet) confirm their participation :

 tsunam


While honored to be possible considered to be able to help guide the
technical direction of gentoo. I however don't feel that I'm capable
of it at this time.  Too many other things are taking my time within
the project. It'd be fun to see how low I'd be on the voting scale but
as if I was to somehow miraculously far enough up on the list to be
elected, I'd not be able to accept that position.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-07-30 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
 On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:20:16 -0500 Alex Tarkovsky
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 | This no QA accusation is a complete myth. QA led by actual Gentoo
 | developers is indeed in place at Sunrise [1].

 Did you look at *which* actual Gentoo developers are on the list?

 Even that aside, if a couple of hundred developers can't handle doing
 QA for all those maintainer-wanted ebuilds, what makes you think four
 people can?

Really now Ciaran, if you have issues with those people. Take it up
with them. You've yet to state a reason why it concerns you. Its no
better then the people who are saying that it'll be a huge QA issue
but they are not elaborating on it. As some are aware and some are
not, the basic job I do for gentoo is a QA one. I help to ensure the
x86 arch tree is hopefully as stable as possible. So if anything this
will affect me directly. I however want to see what the project can
do. If it does end up as a problem then it can be killed off, but
doing so before it has a chance to fly is part of what has been
keeping us from innovating as a distribution. It means we're maturing,
but we are still a community project and as such should be allowed to
fly with possibly wild idea's when it suits us.

As well, we are all human, as you are Ciaran. This means that we make
mistakes. However, what you are also asking is to NOT trust those
people who are qualified to be part of gentoo to be able to do the
work and perform it in a decent way. I will not begin to doubt any of
the people who have the gentoo flag as part of who they are because of
being human. As has been said as well, we learn more from the mistakes
we make then somehow having avoided it without realizing why.

Thirdly, I know one of the issues with one of the leaders of the
project, is the fact that they are not a ebuild developer. I'd like to
have them take the second quiz simply to prove that they have the
knowledge to be trusted to review the ebuilds. Course with the number
that he's seen I'm sure he's helped take care of things that would
make the rest of us go...how did they think that was ever a good idea.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Funding from Gentoo UK 2006 event

2006-07-25 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Wernfried Haas wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 05:34:31PM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
 Dunno about other folks, but I'd be very happy to see us return to the
 Resource Centre once more.  I thought that it worked well as a venue,
 and that London is the right place to hold the conference.

 Resource Centre was fine, maybe i'll manage to stop by next year too.

 I think the good financial outcome is George's fault, he forced me to
 donate 3 pounds. Someone make sure it goes into $MY_PROJECT ;-)

 cheers,
 Wernfried

% $MY_PROJECT

hmm, that returned nothing *hides the cash in my pocket* guess you
didn't define the project, and your loss is my gain ;)
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[gentoo-dev] Linux World Expo

2006-07-10 Thread Joshua Jackson
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So who's planning on going? Basically  I'd like to know who's planning
on going. I'm still undecided about it honestly, and if I go it'd only
be for a few days. Its also probably a good way to find a roomate to
make the cost of rooms a bit less. We don't have enough dev's close
enough to san fran to allow a whole bunch of us a floor to crash on as
far as I know. If however you are, give us a shout with floor space ;)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] IMPORTANT: bugs performance issues

2006-07-06 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Thank you to all of our sponsors and especially GNI for being so
gracious and giving to us.

Not even a little tiny bit of compiling? A smidge? pretty please with
a cherry on top?

 Yay, *plop* !!! (And no, tsunam - no compiling there :P)



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-06 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Or instead of throwing a hissy fit yourself about diego not agreeing
with you..I don't know you could go and show the way that you feel it
should be done and show the technical merit.  Ciaran I will give you
that you are a capable programmer, and had valid arguments in this
thread. However, when interacting with people and proving points on
merits you seem to go out of your way to not prove anything and throw
examples out there without really backing them up.

 No, Diego. The argument is that you're coming up with a horrible
 and unnecessary hack where there are far cleaner alternatives, and
 that you're blindly sticking to it and trying to throw off any
 objections by devious means because you don't want to scrap said
 hack after all the misguided effort you've spent on it. However,
 since you seem to be incapable of admitting the gaping flaws in
 your own work, I'm asking for someone else to point this out to you
 in a formal manner rather than watch this thread go on for even
 longer.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] bugzilla 2.22 masked ~x86

2006-07-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Enrico Weigelt wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I've just seen, current bugzilla is masked, and DBD::Pg too. As the
 documentation states ~x86 means, it's working, but not properly
 tested on this platform (ie. x86).

 How does the process of proving packages work ?

 I've made good experiences with bugzilla-2.22 - the whole
 installation (including the webapp installer) worked good. The only
 things I had to do by hand were adding the vhost to apache and
 creating the user and database in postgres, but mayb that's meant
 to be this way.


 cu

Please file it with the maintainer/herd of the package, instead of
directly to the arch team you want it stable. In this case x86. It
makes it easier for the arch team to not have to filter through bugs
and track down maintainers ourselves.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Mobile Computing herd severely understaffed

2006-07-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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x86 AT O_o *bonks nightmorph on the head* you're a developer! that's
almost, well entirely, a step in the opposite direction. We could use
the help on the x86 team as well. And we're not overbearing, only
needing you to test 4 packages in a month with three warnings of
inactivity before getting the boot. You know you love us as well ^.^


 I'm on devaway for a month, but when I'm back, ping me and I'll see
  if I can help out in any way. Since I really need to help out with
 x86 AT anyway, I might as well double up and do laptop-related
 stuff if possible.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Jakub Moc wrote:
 Curtis Napier wrote:
 If it's decided to go with this idea I think we should mark it up
 a little, even if it's only a dollar or two. People actually
 don't mind paying a little if it's going to go towards helping
 Gentoo. We get tons of threads asking about donating in the
 forums so this would be a good way to help with that (even if the
 DVD isn't purchased very often).

 --Curtis


 You can't do that according to GPL-2, see esp. the   part:


 3.  b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
 years, to give any third party, for a charge  no more than your
 cost of physically performing source distribution , a complete
 machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
 distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
 customarily used for software interchange; or,


manpower cost? *nudge* however it'd be good to keep it low low low..
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Tuesday 04 July 2006 16:39, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:46:59 -0400
 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating
 people for the next Gentoo Council
 I nominate SpanKY, vapier and Mike Frysinger.

 thanks, one of us accepts
 -mike
does that mean that only one third of your personalities will be
productive in meetings and the other two disruptive?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Future developer

2006-06-30 Thread Joshua Jackson

Paul de Vrieze wrote:
I'm proud to announce the arival of a future developer. His name is Tom. He 
arived last monday on 10:22 am (UTC+02). I and my wife will take care of 
mentoring him to full developership ;-).


In the meantime, he's got his own album on
http://www.cs.ru.nl/~pauldv/tom/

Paul

ps. If I'm a bit away these days, it is due to me being preoccupied with my 
mentoring task.


  
Does this make him the youngest mentee that we've had. I think we need 
to make a announcement about that on the front page. Congratulations on 
bringing a little one into the world. Look forward to many many 
sleepless nights.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners

2006-06-27 Thread Joshua Jackson
As long as it doesn't involve spanky I think we won't lose all our users 
because they suddenly became blind. Its the first time I've heard of the 
project as well. I knew that there were a few people going through and 
removing stuff but...

 (that's right, i'm recommending the
special centerfold issue of the gwn a few times a year ;)


  


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-06-24 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, Im gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [Last Rites: app-admin/scotty]

2006-06-21 Thread Joshua Jackson
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What no! not scotty. Who's going to beam us all up now and repair the
ship in half the time that he says it'll take!

Alec Warner wrote:
 Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1].
 I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them is not as
 simple as I'd first hoped, I asked trelane to double check my logic and
 he came to a similar conclusion.  As such with no maintainer or herd
 this package is scheduled for removal in 30 days and has been pmasked.

 If you have any questions please contact the treecleaner[2] project or
 comment on the bug[1]

 Thanks,
 Alec

 [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77501
 [2] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
 On Tuesday 20 June 2006 18:40, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 3) split the qt flag into a qt3 and a qt4 flag. This allows users
 to specifically pick qt3 or qt4 and the flag meanings are obvious
 - downsides are it is a lot of work.
 I would like migration to this idea, that would have been what I've
 liked to see for gtk too.

Gtk did, do this. We had GTK and GTK2 once upon a time. We removed it
and basically said that its up to the maintainer to decide which gtk
version a application was going to use and the gtk use flag would be
used for that.

I don't want to go down the path again of having two nearly identical
flags for a different slotted version of a framework. I'd like to see
just qt with a maintainer deciding if its going to be qt3 or qt4.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] using specific gcc-version in ebuild

2006-06-16 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Forcing a change in your gcc version for compiling is less then
optimal. I don't believe the eclass has anything in it that will help
in what you are trying to do. I would probably do a pkg_setup with a
check for the version of gcc if it isn't a 3.* version then you exit
building and give the reason for this...This would probably be the
best way to do it, at this point.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What about gcc-config - will that work?
 From: Sven Köhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/06/16 Fri PM
 03:10:08 EDT To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject:
 [gentoo-dev]  using specific gcc-version in ebuild





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Re: [gentoo-dev] User Relations Co-lead

2006-06-03 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Of course it will! \^.^/ You can't go wrong with the anime smily faces
_. Thanks for the luck, I know I'll need it

Andrej Kacian wrote:


 Will that result in dramatic increase of anime smilies in Gentoo
environment?

 ^_^


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[gentoo-dev] Heritage

2006-05-06 Thread Joshua Jackson
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I've talked about this multiple times but its fallen on death ears so
I'm going to bring it up to the everyone who reads this mailing list.

I've noticed a disturbing trend with the website redesign. Larry is
disappearing from the site. Most noticeably from the about page. The
Larry looking for something different in a OS poster is no where to be
found. This is quite disturbing to me because I know a lot of the
users and developers enjoy the wackiness having a cow as a mascot
instead of a penguin to be one of the things that make us unique.
Gentoo has four main things that define us as a whole just for
appearances sake. Those are: the color purple, the signature G, Larry
the (transgender via lots of debate over if a bull can be a cow, and
why a bull would have udders) cow, and the little alien floating guy.

Even within bugzilla there are references to Larry like the following:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 . We've never had a
penguin like most other distro's that help define their distro. Even
our freebsd port is the Gentoo G in red with the horns and tail.

Curtis has said he doesn't want to remove then entirely, but that is
exactly what is happening. I just don't want to lose what gives us
visually and jokingly personality. I just can't sit by any longer and
not bring it up, as I feel that its just getting rid of the heritage
that has been around longer then a lot of us have been developers.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] app-cdr/dvdrtools needs a newer version stable

2006-04-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
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I've not been able to move my dvd burner from my server over to my
development box yet so I have not been able to look at it yet. (the
joys of moving hardware between machines :-P when both need it. Well
hopefully not much longer as I'll be replacing the server after this
new jobs paycheck. Anyways as stated in the below bug there is a issue
for some with this and I haven't had the oppertunity to see if I can
replicate it and get a proper backtrace to metalgod. I'll try to get
to that as soon as I possibly can, hopefully this weekend as the
request has been with us for a while.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Dev: antarus (Alec Warner)

2006-02-05 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Brian Harring wrote:
 Hola all-

 We've got a new portage dev; Alec Warner, aka antarus- aside from
 doc work, he'll be doing repoman work and the usual random bug
 squashing.
Welcome antarus, might I also mention that he helps out the x86 team
as well. Glad to have you aboard
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Unmasking modular X

2006-01-31 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 Joshua Jackson wrote:
 In the oldest version of the package (as all these were), I don't
 see much point in the change. They will be removed within a
 fairly short amount of time.

 Fairly short meaning what, 6 months? A lot of old ebuilds tend to
 stick around forever.

True, some older packages stay around longer then they probably
should, and was a exageration on my part but it does prove the point
that the check is somewhat superfluous for most users, since it seems
that most people (from a rough estimate of 2 years on the forums)
seems that 1month is about the outside for most people's updates. As
the point has been brought up about packages being in there longer,
it'd be interesting to write something to do a check for multiple
stable versions with a older version being =6 months old. Something I
might go look into.
 Secondary, you are suggesting that any dev who comes across a
 modular x problem to fix it..even if this is a direct violation
 of the guidelines set forth in the documentation?

 Which guidelines, exactly? I'm having trouble finding these vague
 guidelines to which you refer.

 I found one that said If you make an internal, stylistic change to
 the ebuild that does not change any of the installed files, then
 there is no need to bump the revision number.

 I also found When a package version has proved stable for
 sufficient time and the Gentoo maintainer of the package is
 confident that the upgrade will not break a regular Gentoo user's
 machine, then it can be moved from ~ARCH to ARCH, which, to my
 reading, can also apply to transferring ~arch modular X deps to
 stable.

 Thanks, Donnie


To quote one of the ebuild-quiz questions:  You wish to make a change
to an ebuild, but you checked the ChangeLogs and metadata.xml and it
appears to be maintained by someone else. How should you proceed?

A general response that is obtained from the documentation source
(either the unofficial dev guide or the developer doc's) Concerns
getting in contact with the maintainer before you make the changes.
Explaining the how and why and either asking them to take care of it
or asking for permission to do so. We've had many developers get
highly upset at another developer changing even a minor thing in their
ebuild...such as the simple changing of depends.

Bringing it back around to Mark's initial point, the check causes
extra work for a arch developer that would require stepping on another
herd/developers package's..this is a Relations nightmare. Not to
mention Quality Control implications it can have, something that I
think as a whole development community we've worked very hard at
improving vastly.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Unmasking modular X

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Jackson
Mark Loeser halcy0n at gentoo.org writes:

 
 Donnie Berkholz spyderous at gentoo.org said:
  Jason Stubbs wrote:
   The patch now has the debugging output and x11-base/xorg-x11 check 
   removed.
  
  Excellent. Works perfectly. Since we're failing on them, perhaps we can
  say obsolete instead of deprecated?
 
 Can we put this back to being a warning?  It makes things a pain for arch
 teams that are trying to mark a completely unrelated version of the package.
 
 Thanks,
 

I will have to agree that this change has made it a pain to mark anything
stable. I had 4 out of the 6 I did today bail out because of this. I took the
simple easy fix and removed the check to stabalize the packages I needed to. I
know we have people who want modular X yesterday, but causing trouble for dev's
going about business that doesn't involve the modular problems directly is only
going to cause resentment and frustration to all the teams involved.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Unmasking modular X

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Jackson
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 Joshua Jackson wrote:
 I will have to agree that this change has made it a pain to mark
 anything
 stable. I had 4 out of the 6 I did today bail out because of this.
 I took the
 simple easy fix and removed the check to stabalize the packages I
 needed to. I
 know we have people who want modular X yesterday, but causing
 trouble for dev's
 going about business that doesn't involve the modular problems
 directly is only
 going to cause resentment and frustration to all the teams involved.

 Why is the simple fix not copying over the already fixed
 dependencies in the latest ebuild? It's not as if that's a lot of
 work. That's the intent of this failure -- to avoid flyby commits by
 people when they could just fix the deps (which are already
 available in ~arch) while they're there.

 Thanks,
 Donnie
In the oldest version of the package (as all these were), I don't see
much point in the change. They will be removed within a fairly short
amount of time. Secondary, you are suggesting that any dev who comes
across a modular x problem to fix it..even if this is a direct
violation of the guidelines set forth in the documentation? I'm
curious as to why you want potentially 200+ dev's to violate it, to
push modular so quickly?
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[gentoo-dev] Re: x86 arch team leads

2005-09-27 Thread Joshua Jackson
Mark Loeser halcy0n at gentoo.org writes:

 
 Well, the x86 team has now chosen some leads so we can start getting
 everything together as a team.  For our leads, we have chosen to have a
 committee of 4 of us: halcy0n, solar, azarah, and wolf32o2.  We each
 felt that we didn't have the time or experience to be able to handle
 being a sole lead by ourselves.
 
 Just letting everyone know what is going on with the team.
 
 Mark
 


All hail our new x86 overlords ;). Congrats to the four of you on taking up the
responsibility to deal with all of us that will be part of quite a large team.
Looking forward to how things move forward.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Resolution - GTK Useflag Situation

2005-09-18 Thread Joshua Jackson
A few more that I didn't see in the list

media-libs/imlib : gtk1 only
media-libs/smpeg : gtk1 only
media-sound/lame : gtk1 only
media-video/mplayer: gtk1 it would appear? 

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[gentoo-dev] Re: cdparanoia and libcdio

2005-08-26 Thread Joshua Jackson
I have to agree with Flameeyes(diego) on this one. If the switch needs to be
made, no matter what is done. There will be one package that will slip through
and need to be patched. Would be better to get them as we know about them/have
users reporting them. I can think of one or two that should be fairly easy to
patch right now.

I'll take a look at them to see if i can manage to figure out the code enough to
supply the patch upstream. Course in the mean time we'll have to apply it
outselves. 

I think this relies a lot on what the media-herd feels. It'll add a lot to their
plate. If they feel they can handle it then I don't see why we can't start to
make the change over. Just do it in stages.

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