Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: highly suspect statements these states are all quite common ... trying to make some kind of supposition as to which is the most common is a waste of time No. It's my opinion. Respect it, please. You don't have to agree. in my experience, from the many forms of Gentoo communication (real life, mailing lists, irc, forums, etc...): - quite common for people to be lazy and just use the default - quite common for people to change the default to their own thing - quite common for people to use just Gentoo themes where they can as long as people include Gentoo themes in packages for people to select, we should have pretty good coverage of everyone's needs Well, if we end with some stuff not themed, some stuff themed, having it applied by default as well as non-default, maybe even different looking theming depending on the package, the result will suck. Is it that hard to define a few goals, instead coming up with ha, let's do Gentoo themes without having a clue about the conditions, what it should look like and what the side-effects are!? Carsten pgp84Ow0dP39N.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: highly suspect statements these states are all quite common ... trying to make some kind of supposition as to which is the most common is a waste of time No. It's my opinion. Respect it, please. You don't have to agree. My opinion is that *must* be the default theme everywhere in Gentoo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/images/6/63/Gnome-jamapii.2006-04.jpg If not, I'll get pretty angry, so you'd better start fixing KDE/Gnome/boosplash/grub etc. soon! :P -- jakub signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. There's a thread in gentoo-core from 2004 with regards to branding and the outcome was to refrain from it. I don't have a problem, when we do this for live iso's, but generally I strongly dislike it. Users don't choose their distro because of it, so it's just unnecessary bloat. And given that we tout Gentoo a meta distribution, encouraging others to build on it, there's no point forcing them to have to clean out the Gentoo brand, before they actually can use it. Carsten pgp5mpBfaoj37.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. There's a thread in gentoo-core from 2004 with regards to branding and the outcome was to refrain from it. I don't have a problem, when we do this for live iso's, but generally I strongly dislike it. Users don't choose their distro because of it, so it's just unnecessary bloat. And given that we tout Gentoo a meta distribution, encouraging others to build on it, there's no point forcing them to have to clean out the Gentoo brand, before they actually can use it. He said he wanted to make it easy, not forcing it. Or am I mistaken? -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
On Friday 07 April 2006 15:28, Simon Stelling wrote: He said he wanted to make it easy, not forcing it. Or am I mistaken? How do you want not to enforce it? The last time¹ someone came up with a branding use flag, some were in favor of, some against it. Still, the basic question is: Why!? There's no benefit for the user, who will choose whatever theming he wants anyways. Imho it's superfluous and therefore wasted time. I for one favor to stick with that, what upstream provides. Carsten [1] http://tinyurl.com/o7dkc pgp4mnjbnG3MU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
On Thursday 06 April 2006 22:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I've got some back-burner work on unified Gentoo theming for grub, bootsplash, gdm/kdm [1]. (IOW, I spent a day doing research 2 months ago and forgot about it until yesterday.) It's currently possible to have a really awesome bootup, but it's quite a bit of work to configure and I want to make it trivially easy. can you post the .xpm for use with grub-0.xx for me to check out ? I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. grub-0.xx has no upstream theme ... unless you count like white text on a black background a theme -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 06 April 2006 22:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I've got some back-burner work on unified Gentoo theming for grub, bootsplash, gdm/kdm [1]. (IOW, I spent a day doing research 2 months ago and forgot about it until yesterday.) It's currently possible to have a really awesome bootup, but it's quite a bit of work to configure and I want to make it trivially easy. can you post the .xpm for use with grub-0.xx for me to check out ? Don't have one designed yet, this is all still in the planning stages. But gimp can trivially take any image, reduce it to 15 colors using a smart algorithm and save as xpm so feel free to use whatever you want till then. I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. grub-0.xx has no upstream theme ... unless you count like white text on a black background a theme Exactly, that's the point. Places without themes are great places to provide ours, since we aren't really overriding anything. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
Donnie Berkholz wrote: can you post the .xpm for use with grub-0.xx for me to check out ? Don't have one designed yet, this is all still in the planning stages. There's one available at http://www.schultz-net.dk/grub.html (scroll down pass the Debian/Slackware ;) ). -- Krzysiek Pawlik nelchael at gentoo.org key id: 0xBC51 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, x86, java, apache... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
On Friday 07 April 2006 10:31, Carsten Lohrke wrote: Still, the basic question is: Why!? There's no benefit for the user, who will choose whatever theming he wants anyways. Imho it's superfluous and therefore wasted time. highly suspect statements these states are all quite common ... trying to make some kind of supposition as to which is the most common is a waste of time in my experience, from the many forms of Gentoo communication (real life, mailing lists, irc, forums, etc...): - quite common for people to be lazy and just use the default - quite common for people to change the default to their own thing - quite common for people to use just Gentoo themes where they can as long as people include Gentoo themes in packages for people to select, we should have pretty good coverage of everyone's needs -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup
Hi all, I've got some back-burner work on unified Gentoo theming for grub, bootsplash, gdm/kdm [1]. (IOW, I spent a day doing research 2 months ago and forgot about it until yesterday.) It's currently possible to have a really awesome bootup, but it's quite a bit of work to configure and I want to make it trivially easy. I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. This will help us update our look to catch up with a lot of other distros I talk about in ideas.txt, found at [1], and make for an overall slicker and cooler Gentoo desktop. If anyone wants to help with design or turning stuff into working themes for bootsplash, *dm, grub/gfxboot, etc, please email me. I don't have time to do this by myself, and I've already talked to some people about this but there can never be enough. Any subsequent list discussions on this will occur on gentoo-desktop, but I expect much of the collaboration to happen on IRC. Thanks, Donnie 1. http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/splash/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
