Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2012-04-28 Thread G. Gaydarov
On 04/27/2012 06:34 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 23/08/11 00:20, Vikraman wrote:
 Hi all,

 Gentoostats[0] is a GSoC 2011 project to collect package statistics
 from gentoo
 machines. Please check it out. Bug reports and feature suggestions are
 welcome.

 To submit your stats, use the app-portage/gentoostats ebuild from
 betagarden
 overlay[1].

 [0] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/
 [1] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/about
 
 Is this project dead now?
 
 

Hi,

The project is not dead. As part of GSoC 2012 I will be working on
improving gentoostats. I'll post an official announcement here in the
very near future.

If you have any questions and/or ideas about the project please don't
hesitate to get in touch with me.

Regards,
G. Gaydarov



[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2012-04-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 23/08/11 00:20, Vikraman wrote:

Hi all,

Gentoostats[0] is a GSoC 2011 project to collect package statistics from gentoo
machines. Please check it out. Bug reports and feature suggestions are welcome.

To submit your stats, use the app-portage/gentoostats ebuild from betagarden
overlay[1].

[0] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/
[1] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/about


Is this project dead now?




Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2012-04-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 23/08/11 00:20, Vikraman wrote:

 Hi all,

 Gentoostats[0] is a GSoC 2011 project to collect package statistics from
 gentoo
 machines. Please check it out. Bug reports and feature suggestions are
 welcome.

 To submit your stats, use the app-portage/gentoostats ebuild from
 betagarden
 overlay[1].

 [0] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/
 [1] https://soc.dev.gentoo.org/gentoostats/about


 Is this project dead now?



A trivial look at the git repo would indicate no it is not dead.

-A



[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 08/24/2011 01:48 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:

[...]
If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get
pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will
meet some rather unpleasant resistance :)


emerge always asks me after a world update whether I want to auto clean 
packages with a yes/no prompt.  I wouldn't be bad if once a month or 
whatever it would ask me whether I want to upload my stats.  Gentoostats 
should probably become a runtime dep of Portage itself by default, but 
not used automatically.





Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Markos Chandras
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On 25/08/2011 11:42 ??, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 08/24/2011 01:48 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
 [...] If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you
 can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in
 Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :)
 
 emerge always asks me after a world update whether I want to auto
 clean packages with a yes/no prompt.  I wouldn't be bad if once a
 month or whatever it would ask me whether I want to upload my
 stats.  Gentoostats should probably become a runtime dep of Portage
 itself by default, but not used automatically.
 
 
I like your idea and people seem to like making things complicated.
Simple solution:

opt-in

How:
Display a warning after an emerge -u{DNav} world.
Let user disable this warning by using a special variable in make.conf

STATS_ENABLE=no.

By default, this variable will be yes on base/ profiles

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Patrick Nagel
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Hi,

On 2011-08-25 20:43, Markos Chandras wrote:
 On 25/08/2011 11:42 ??, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 08/24/2011 01:48 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
 [...] If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can
 get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in 
 Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :)
 
 emerge always asks me after a world update whether I want to auto 
 clean packages with a yes/no prompt.  I wouldn't be bad if once a 
 month or whatever it would ask me whether I want to upload my stats.
 Gentoostats should probably become a runtime dep of Portage itself by
 default, but not used automatically.
 
 I like your idea and people seem to like making things complicated. 
 Simple solution:
 
 opt-in
 
 How: Display a warning after an emerge -u{DNav} world. Let user disable
 this warning by using a special variable in make.conf
 
 STATS_ENABLE=no.
 
 By default, this variable will be yes on base/ profiles

That sounds perfect to me.

The prompt should offer three options:

 [s]end the data directly
 s[h]ow me the data*
 s[k]ip

 You can disable this prompt by having either 'SEND_STATS=yes' (to always
 send) or 'SEND_STATS=no (to never send) in your /etc/make.conf.

*) And in the next step, after showing the data set(s): Send? [y/n]

(why do all those words have to start with an 's'??)

Cheers,
Patrick.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 25-08-2011 22:15:22 +0800, Patrick Nagel wrote:
 The prompt should offer three options:
 
  [s]end the data directly
  s[h]ow me the data*
  s[k]ip
 
  You can disable this prompt by having either 'SEND_STATS=yes' (to always
  send) or 'SEND_STATS=no (to never send) in your /etc/make.conf.
 
 *) And in the next step, after showing the data set(s): Send? [y/n]
 
 (why do all those words have to start with an 's'??)

send
display/view
later

:)

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Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level



[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:07:54 -0400 as excerpted:

 On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org
 wrote:
 If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get
 pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will
 meet some rather unpleasant resistance :)
 
 Well, we could always broadcast the news widely (lists, forums,
 eselect news, and so on).
 
 I'd also make it controllable via use flag.  Put the client and the
 cron.daily file in a package, and then make that a use-dependency of
 something everybody has (the profile if profiles support this (don't
 think they do), and if not pick something that correlates well with
 people who would benefit from this feature.
 
 Users can opt-out via use flag.
 
 You can also start out with it being opt-in (use flag off by default in
 profiles), and then turn it on later (with notice/etc).
 
 The key is to not be sneaky about it.

Agreed on the no-sneaky bit.

The practical question is what to make it a USE flag of?  Baselayout/
openrc?  Portage?

Personally, I'd start with a couple paragraphs in the handbook describing 
the package and why one really /does/ want it installed and setup but 
that Gentoo gives the user the option, as part of the installation 
section, presumably thrown in with choosing the cron and syslog daemons, 
etc.

Then I'd do the PR thing as you mention, pointing out that it's in the 
handbook now, so new users will likely be installing it, and to avoid 
skewing the numbers toward the new installations, existing installations 
should consider it as well.  Existing users aren't likely to want the 
focus to shift to packages only the noobs are likely to install, for 
instance.  Setup a bit of a competition there, and I'd guess you're 
likely to get better buy-in from existing users.

I'd leave the USE flag dependency out of it, at least initially.  It 
could always be added later, if thought necessary.  But I suspect that if 
it's presented well in the handbook, many new users will install it, and 
if that fact is pointed out to existing users in appropriate forum/list 
threads, etc, many existing users will as well, just to keep up, 
statistically.  Yet if it's a separate package that must be separately 
installed, there's no way people can say it wasn't their choice, as they 
might be able to if it's a USE flag they weren't paying attention to, 
particularly if that flag defaults on.  Make it an active choice and 
people are far more likely to continue with it, too, than if they felt in 
any way that it was pushed on them, with little choice.

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