Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp-config needs a new maintainer
On Wednesday 10 of March 2010 07:52:28 Benedikt Böhm wrote: Hi! On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: There are quite a few bugs open for it plus the latest version (1.50.18) is not even in Gentoo but on SourceForge only. The release on sourceforge is not compatible with the current implementation in Gentoo AFAIK. So your first task would be a proper bump and a maybe few bug fixes after: webapp-config is in a horrible shape and also has several design flaws. i wouldn't touch it. that's why i already added an idea to the GSoC list for a complete w-c rewrite. i talked to gunnar in 2008 or 2009 at chemnitz linux days, and we agreed that w-c needs a rewrite. but none of us had/has time to do it. hopefully gsoc can change this situation. This issue always bothered me. Why do we need exclusive web-app config application that effectively mirrors what emerge is supposed to do? I mean installation/removal/updates, and what's the most important config updates. I see this solution suboptimal. Don't bash me, maybe I'm obviously missing something but I'd really prefer simpler, Debian-like approach to webapps, so: - web-apps installed in /usr/share instead of /var/www (is there any benefit from polluting /var/www with system-managed applications?) - webapp-specific apache config installed in let's say /etc/apache2/conf.d/ and included from httpd.conf so that any application works out of the box (Alias directive may be suitable in example below) (example entry for phppgadmin:) Directory /usr/share/phppgadmin/ DirectoryIndex index.php Options +FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Allow from all IfModule mod_php5.c php_flag magic_quotes_gpc Off php_flag track_vars On php_value include_path . /IfModule /Directory That file (apache config) as well as wep-app specific config file (/usr/share/phppgadmin/conf/config.inc.php) would be under config-protect, so any modifications are tracked. It's obviously less flexible than webapp-config (no automatic vhosts handling - it would be installed initially for all vhosts, sure, one can easily configure that), but at least doesn't need webapp-config anymore. -- regards MM
Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp-config needs a new maintainer
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 10 of March 2010 07:52:28 Benedikt Böhm wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: There are quite a few bugs open for it plus the latest version (1.50.18) is not even in Gentoo but on SourceForge only. The release on sourceforge is not compatible with the current implementation in Gentoo AFAIK. webapp-config is in a horrible shape and also has several design flaws. i wouldn't touch it. that's why i already added an idea to the GSoC list for a complete w-c rewrite. i talked to gunnar in 2008 or 2009 at chemnitz linux days, and we agreed that w-c needs a rewrite. but none of us had/has time to do it. hopefully gsoc can change this situation. This issue always bothered me. Why do we need exclusive web-app config application that effectively mirrors what emerge is supposed to do? as you obviously figured the replicated package manager behaviour is for installing apps into multiple vhosts. at first i thought this was a nice idea, but after some time managing webapps with w-c, i really hate it and install most things manually nowadays ;-) Don't bash me, maybe I'm obviously missing something but I'd really prefer simpler, Debian-like approach to webapps, so: - web-apps installed in /usr/share instead of /var/www (is there any benefit from polluting /var/www with system-managed applications?) - webapp-specific apache config installed in let's say /etc/apache2/conf.d/ and included from httpd.conf so that any application works out of the box (Alias directive may be suitable in example below) i am in favour of debian-like approach too, but i think there are people relying on the w-c approach now, so an optimal solution would be to just make webapp-config optional, but this may be an impossible task, i don't really know. Bene
Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp-config needs a new maintainer
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:09:26 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: This issue always bothered me. Why do we need exclusive web-app config application that effectively mirrors what emerge is supposed to do? I mean installation/removal/updates, and what's the most important config updates. webapp-config was originally designed as a standalone, distribution independent, multi-os tool (Windows support being a priority) that would operate largely independently of the package manager. It just happened to have been developed on Gentoo first. In the early days it would get up to all kinds of crazy stuff like trying to call 'emerge -C' from within pkg_postinst of an ebuild... Unfortunately, in those days, bypassing Portage was considered easier than extending it. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp-config needs a new maintainer
Hi, On 2010-03-10 11:30, Sebastian Pipping wrote: There are quite a few bugs open for it plus the latest version (1.50.18) is not even in Gentoo but on SourceForge only. Its upstream Gunnar left Gentoo due to lack of time recently. As I got project admin rights for layman from Gunnar before I know that a similar thing should be theoretical possible for you and webapp-config, too. So your first task would be a proper bump and a maybe few bug fixes after: http://sourceforge.net/projects/webapp-config/files/ https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=webapp-config I know there's people using this tool. If you use it this is your chance to ensure it keeps in good shape. Being proxied or mentored initially should also work in case you want that. I'm using webapp-config on multiple servers, and I think it's an important part of Gentoo, as it provides a sane way to keep track of web applications. I see a problem though: the ebuilds of popular webapps like MediaWiki or Wordpress seem to be in bad shape / unmaintained, which in term makes this tool much less useful. Maybe that is caused by the fact, that webapp-config has bugs? Chicken/Egg problem? So, I wish there could be more people taking care of timely version bumps etc. for webapps, since it is essential that webapps are always kept up-to-date, most of them being written in PHP, buggy, exposed to the net and all. Anyway, I can imagine working on webapp-config, and becoming a Gentoo package maintainer. My time is a little limited though (day job + part time job + family), so don't expect too much. If there is someone with more time on his/her hands, please go for it. Patrick. -- Key ID: 0x86E346D4http://patrick-nagel.net/key.asc Fingerprint: 7745 E1BE FA8B FBAD 76AB 2BFC C981 E686 86E3 46D4 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp-config needs a new maintainer
Hi! On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: There are quite a few bugs open for it plus the latest version (1.50.18) is not even in Gentoo but on SourceForge only. The release on sourceforge is not compatible with the current implementation in Gentoo AFAIK. So your first task would be a proper bump and a maybe few bug fixes after: webapp-config is in a horrible shape and also has several design flaws. i wouldn't touch it. that's why i already added an idea to the GSoC list for a complete w-c rewrite. i talked to gunnar in 2008 or 2009 at chemnitz linux days, and we agreed that w-c needs a rewrite. but none of us had/has time to do it. hopefully gsoc can change this situation. Greetings, Bene
