Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 14:28 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > The problem is that *all* mips-sources ebuilds do not provide alsa. > Only the mips-sources-2.6.* versions do this, and then only if > USE="ip30" (Octane users). This makes sense, although not the USE flag. > I'm just worried about folks running 2.4 systems (only Indys at this > point) with mips-sources "providing" alsa, but not really. This could > get even more tricky because I happen to know somebody is working on an > alsa driver for Indy, and it will be for 2.6 only. We're trying really > hard to get everything to where we can just get rid of 2.4, but until > that time, setting the virtual to mips-sources is technically broken. Of course, 2.4 kernels are technically broken because they dont support alsa, and this is fixed in other profiles with the inclusion of a 2.4 (or 2.6) sub profile. However.. if nothing actually works with alsa, then I dont see the problem in that case of making the profile default mips-sources. if it happens to install 2.4 sources, then so be it. it might be a technically incorrect provide.. but nothing else can fill it any better. At least at this moment in time. If it were me, thats what I would do. But of course, this change doesn't really make any difference to mips one way or the other. -- Role:Gentoo Linux Kernel Lead Gentoo Linux:http://www.gentoo.org Public Key: gpg --recv-keys 9C745515 Key fingerprint: A0AF F3C8 D699 A05A EC5C 24F7 95AA 241D 9C74 5515 Web: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9C745515 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
dont see this as a real reason to not change the default personally. mips-sources exists in the tree for a reason, and are being actively maintained. by setting the default virtual for alsa-sound to gentoo-sources surely wont effect you anyways, considering alsa-drivers doesn't work, gentoo-sources likely dont work, and mips-sources provide virtual/alsa? The problem is that *all* mips-sources ebuilds do not provide alsa. Only the mips-sources-2.6.* versions do this, and then only if USE="ip30" (Octane users). If at some point alsa-drivers decides to work, then can you not just redefine the virtual in the mips profile? Sure, it would be no problem in that case. Anyways, I see no real point here to prevent the move, however I found it educational re: alsa-driver :) I'm just worried about folks running 2.4 systems (only Indys at this point) with mips-sources "providing" alsa, but not really. This could get even more tricky because I happen to know somebody is working on an alsa driver for Indy, and it will be for 2.6 only. We're trying really hard to get everything to where we can just get rid of 2.4, but until that time, setting the virtual to mips-sources is technically broken. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:41 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Currently, we have two machines with alsa drivers (only one of which > *really* works, but that is beside the point), and the working driver is > applied to our mips-sources-2.6.* ebuilds along with the patchset for > octane. However, this information is pretty irrelevent from my point of > view. The real problems are that A) alsa-driver doesn't contain any > mips drivers, B) 2.4 kernel sources do not contain the alsa drivers > while 2.6 do, and C) that mips-sources included both 2.4 and 2.6. > Therefore, we really do not have anything generic that can be changed to > the default virtual for us without being broken (until such time as we > can finally get rid of 2.4). I don't have a solution at this point in > time either...I'm just saying how things are. I dont see this as a real reason to not change the default personally. mips-sources exists in the tree for a reason, and are being actively maintained. by setting the default virtual for alsa-sound to gentoo-sources surely wont effect you anyways, considering alsa-drivers doesn't work, gentoo-sources likely dont work, and mips-sources provide virtual/alsa? If at some point alsa-drivers decides to work, then can you not just redefine the virtual in the mips profile? Anyways, I see no real point here to prevent the move, however I found it educational re: alsa-driver :) -- Role:Gentoo Linux Kernel Lead Gentoo Linux:http://www.gentoo.org Public Key: gpg --recv-keys 9C745515 Key fingerprint: A0AF F3C8 D699 A05A EC5C 24F7 95AA 241D 9C74 5515 Web: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9C745515 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:41 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > > >>>What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? > >>>Make the virtual alsa-driver? > >> > >>This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by > >>alsa-driver. > > > > > > OK. How does it work now, then? > > > > ...and please provide me with any information that you think I might > > need or even a suggestion on what you want. This having to email back > > and forth is tiresome. > > > > If you are so concerned with getting this issue hammered out without > more than one email, you should have just pinged one of us on irc. > What's wrong with having an ongoing discussion on a mailing list where > anybody might be able to chip in to the conversation? My point was really that if you know pertinent information, why make someone ask for it over and over again. > Currently, we have two machines with alsa drivers (only one of which > *really* works, but that is beside the point), and the working driver is > applied to our mips-sources-2.6.* ebuilds along with the patchset for > octane. However, this information is pretty irrelevent from my point of > view. The real problems are that A) alsa-driver doesn't contain any > mips drivers, B) 2.4 kernel sources do not contain the alsa drivers > while 2.6 do, and C) that mips-sources included both 2.4 and 2.6. > Therefore, we really do not have anything generic that can be changed to > the default virtual for us without being broken (until such time as we > can finally get rid of 2.4). I don't have a solution at this point in > time either...I'm just saying how things are. This is exactly the kind of information that I was looking for when I asked. Thank you. As I understand it, the only working ALSA driver that you have it part of mips-sources. It would make sense to me for that to be the default virtual, as it would work for at least some people, versus the current situation where it works for none. > Unfortunately, we don't have any member of the mips team that really > does much with sound (where did that Indy go to anyway?), so I'm not > sure any of us are going to be able to give you a satisfying answer or > solution. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:41:26 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Unfortunately, we don't have any member of the mips team that really | does much with sound (where did that Indy go to anyway?) eradicator. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpXCXYwytb3A.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? Make the virtual alsa-driver? This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by alsa-driver. OK. How does it work now, then? ...and please provide me with any information that you think I might need or even a suggestion on what you want. This having to email back and forth is tiresome. If you are so concerned with getting this issue hammered out without more than one email, you should have just pinged one of us on irc. What's wrong with having an ongoing discussion on a mailing list where anybody might be able to chip in to the conversation? Currently, we have two machines with alsa drivers (only one of which *really* works, but that is beside the point), and the working driver is applied to our mips-sources-2.6.* ebuilds along with the patchset for octane. However, this information is pretty irrelevent from my point of view. The real problems are that A) alsa-driver doesn't contain any mips drivers, B) 2.4 kernel sources do not contain the alsa drivers while 2.6 do, and C) that mips-sources included both 2.4 and 2.6. Therefore, we really do not have anything generic that can be changed to the default virtual for us without being broken (until such time as we can finally get rid of 2.4). I don't have a solution at this point in time either...I'm just saying how things are. Unfortunately, we don't have any member of the mips team that really does much with sound (where did that Indy go to anyway?), so I'm not sure any of us are going to be able to give you a satisfying answer or solution. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 11:03 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? > > Make the virtual alsa-driver? > > This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by > alsa-driver. OK. How does it work now, then? ...and please provide me with any information that you think I might need or even a suggestion on what you want. This having to email back and forth is tiresome. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? Make the virtual alsa-driver? This wouldn't work, as none of our alsa drivers are actually provided by alsa-driver. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:56 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:18 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > > >>>If there are no objections before Friday, I'm going to change > >>>virtual/alsa in base to sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. > >>> > >>>Now, if there are any arch-specific sources (sparc? mips?) that don't > >>>provide ALSA, please let me know before then, so I will know to add the > >>>virtual to those architectures for media-sound/alsa-driver. > >> > >>The mips-sources-2.6* ebuilds should provide alsa just the same as any > >>other 2.6 kernel source package. The thing here is that we still have > >>mips-sources-2.4* ebuilds hanging around, and we don't have any kernel > >>specific profiles that would distinguish them. > > > > > > ...and mips-sources-2.4* isn't patched with alsa, correct? > > Correct. What would be your recommendation on how to handle this for mips, then? Make the virtual alsa-driver? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:18 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: If there are no objections before Friday, I'm going to change virtual/alsa in base to sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. Now, if there are any arch-specific sources (sparc? mips?) that don't provide ALSA, please let me know before then, so I will know to add the virtual to those architectures for media-sound/alsa-driver. The mips-sources-2.6* ebuilds should provide alsa just the same as any other 2.6 kernel source package. The thing here is that we still have mips-sources-2.4* ebuilds hanging around, and we don't have any kernel specific profiles that would distinguish them. ...and mips-sources-2.4* isn't patched with alsa, correct? Correct. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 09:18 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > > If there are no objections before Friday, I'm going to change > > virtual/alsa in base to sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. > > > > Now, if there are any arch-specific sources (sparc? mips?) that don't > > provide ALSA, please let me know before then, so I will know to add the > > virtual to those architectures for media-sound/alsa-driver. > > The mips-sources-2.6* ebuilds should provide alsa just the same as any > other 2.6 kernel source package. The thing here is that we still have > mips-sources-2.4* ebuilds hanging around, and we don't have any kernel > specific profiles that would distinguish them. ...and mips-sources-2.4* isn't patched with alsa, correct? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Possible virtual/alsa change
If there are no objections before Friday, I'm going to change virtual/alsa in base to sys-kernel/gentoo-sources. Now, if there are any arch-specific sources (sparc? mips?) that don't provide ALSA, please let me know before then, so I will know to add the virtual to those architectures for media-sound/alsa-driver. The mips-sources-2.6* ebuilds should provide alsa just the same as any other 2.6 kernel source package. The thing here is that we still have mips-sources-2.4* ebuilds hanging around, and we don't have any kernel specific profiles that would distinguish them. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
