[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Improve policy of stabilizations

2009-11-01 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
Some packages have new releases more than once a month and sometimes it's 
reasonable
to not skip stabilization of any version. Given version of a package is usually 
no
longer tested by users after release of a newer version, so I suggest the 
following
change to the policy of stabilizations:
Stabilization of given version of a package can be requested if this version 
has been
in the tree for at least 10 days and a newer version of this package has been 
added
to the tree.

-- 
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Improve policy of stabilizations

2009-11-01 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 17:36 +0100, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
wrote:
 Some packages have new releases more than once a month and sometimes it's 
 reasonable
 to not skip stabilization of any version. Given version of a package is 
 usually no
 longer tested by users after release of a newer version, so I suggest the 
 following
 change to the policy of stabilizations:
 Stabilization of given version of a package can be requested if this version 
 has been
 in the tree for at least 10 days and a newer version of this package has been 
 added
 to the tree.

I am not aware of there being a 30 day policy, and have always
considered it as a guideline, not policy. If the maintainer sees that 10
days is good for the package sometimes, I see no problem with it. Arch
teams might kindly request explanations of why the quicker
stabilization, but I don't represent any myself, but in case of quicker
stabilization of package I maintain myself I try to state in the
STABLEREQ bug why the quicker stabilization.

Is it stated in any documentation that 30 days is a policy?

-- 
Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Developer
Mail: l...@gentoo.org
Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Improve policy of stabilizations

2009-11-01 Thread Richard Freeman

Mart Raudsepp wrote:


Is it stated in any documentation that 30 days is a policy?



Not that I'm aware of - it is a guideline as you indicate.  However, 
don't expect anybody to actually take action on a STABLEREQ if there 
isn't some kind of rationale for going stable so quickly.


The whole point of stable is that they provide some sanity to the 
release process - if upstream releases a new version every other week 
then perhaps we should either:


1.  Question whether it should go stable at all.
2.  Pick a version once in a while and target it for stabilization, 
backporting fixes as needed.


We don't need to be Debian stable, but if the only reason for 
stabilizing a package is that upstream has already moved on, then I 
think we're making a mistake.  In fact, if upstream abandoned a release 
after only two weeks that would be a good reason NOT to stabilize it.


End users can always run ~arch if they need to - at least this way they 
know in advance what they're getting into.




Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Improve policy of stabilizations

2009-11-01 Thread Petteri Räty
Richard Freeman wrote:
 Mart Raudsepp wrote:

 Is it stated in any documentation that 30 days is a policy?

 
 Not that I'm aware of - it is a guideline as you indicate.  However,
 don't expect anybody to actually take action on a STABLEREQ if there
 isn't some kind of rationale for going stable so quickly.
 

Yes it's a guideline that you should follow unless you can give reasons
to deviate.


 The whole point of stable is that they provide some sanity to the
 release process - if upstream releases a new version every other week
 then perhaps we should either:
 
 1.  Question whether it should go stable at all.
 2.  Pick a version once in a while and target it for stabilization,
 backporting fixes as needed.
 

Yeah one can question if adding every release is really important for users.

Regards,
Petteri



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