Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread R0b0t1
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:44 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:51:23 +0100 > "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017, 00:40:11 CET schrieb William L. >> Thomson Jr.: [...] >> [...] >> [...] >> >> Well,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread R0b0t1
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:04 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:22 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> >>> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses other >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:51:23 +0100 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017, 00:40:11 CET schrieb William L. > Thomson Jr.: [...] > [...] > [...] > > Well, it's like listening to a broken record, which keeps repeating > the same snippet. At some

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:22 AM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses other >> members of the community in private after being told to stop, and then >> acts

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/05/2017 06:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> >> We do not, but that presumes actual abuse has been demonstrated. >> "spamming the mailing list", where the posts are regarding Gentoo, isn't >> automatically abuse

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-06 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017, 00:40:11 CET schrieb William L. Thomson Jr.: > On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:25:46 +0100 > > Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > One of the primary issues recently is that you keep bringing up old > > matters in a way that is a criticism of Gentoo overall, in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread R0b0t1
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 23∶59 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 > napisał: >> As noted, there is one: analyzing the actions of those who are being >> "attacked" to see why people are bothering to do it in the first >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread R0b0t1
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate >> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:25:46 +0100 Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > One of the primary issues recently is that you keep bringing up old > matters in a way that is a criticism of Gentoo overall, in various > channels. We've heard it already, and to keep bringing it up doesn't > add

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:22:34 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > For the record and reading assumer's. All my actions were in public, > basically on mailing lists starting with -nfp long ago. All action > taken against me was in public visible on my developer bug. I have >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/06/2017 12:22 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Sorry and no more from me. I just feel given how I am portrayed, > spoken of, action taken against, etc. I must clarify some things for the > public record. Which even despite all my actions being in public. > People still assume because

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:02:01 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > > The problem is that with current policies if somebody in Comrel/etc > had evidence to the contrary they would not be able to refute such a > denial. My example wasn't of wltjr specifically (at least not to my >

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/05/2017 11:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people >>> who have caused a lot of harm to others

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people >> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure >> which is the lesser evil but

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/05/2017 11:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people >> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure >> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:25:21 -0500 > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand >> wrote: >> > On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:25:21 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand > wrote: > > On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > >> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses > >> other

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people > who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure > which is the lesser evil but do we really want a community where we > tolerate absolutely any kind of abuse of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > The difference would be that you, in your first example, can demonstrate > some actual abuse. In the latter case you're talking about differences > of opinions of how things are run, which quickly turns into

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/05/2017 11:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: I think the plan to split mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate >>> developers from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate >> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an >> incongenial tone will have their voice

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate > developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an > incongenial tone will have their voice bit revoked and their mail will > be dropped or

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
On 2017-12-03 00:18, Michał Górny wrote: > …snip… I understand, and sympathize with, the motivation to create another list and restrict gentoo-dev. And, I agree with most of the points, especially given some of the more recent events. I still vote no. gentoo-dev is supposed to be for open

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel Campbell
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 08:59:40AM +, Peter Stuge wrote: > Daniel Campbell wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: > > > I'd like to establish the following changes to the mailing lists: > > > > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Nils Freydank
Am Montag, 4. Dezember 2017, 18:02:21 CET schrieb Michał Górny: > W dniu pon, 04.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶18 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan > > Ochtman napisał: > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > [...] > > I'm all for it, as long as someone is actually going

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-05 Thread Peter Stuge
Daniel Campbell wrote: > On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: > > I'd like to establish the following changes to the mailing lists: > > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > II. This practically assumes that every new mailing list subscriber will > be able to recognize the problem. Otherwise, new people will repeatedly > be lured into discussing with them. > > III. In the end, it puts Gentoo in a bad position. Firstly,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 21:29:26 +0100 Vincent-Xavier JUMEL wrote: > > Please do rembember that you can't solve all earth problems, not even > all Gentoo problems :) Technology is no means to resolve social issues. Our use of technology is bringing about entirely

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Daniel Campbell
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le 2017-12-03 22:31, Michał Górny a écrit : Multiple people have tried, and as explained in the long rationale we haven't had any success. If you have a constructive ideas how to solve the problem otherwise, we're open to hear them. That's the whole purpose of this thread. Once or twice in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:34:49 -0500 kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:11 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > > On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" > > wrote: > >> The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through > >> Bugzilla. This gives

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/04/2017 01:11 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" wrote: >> The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through Bugzilla. >> This gives the best chance for focused discussion on the specific issue >> without unnecessary

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Christopher Head
On December 3, 2017 1:35:23 PM PST, "Michał Górny" wrote: > >The best way to reach specific Gentoo developers is through Bugzilla. >This gives the best chance for focused discussion on the specific issue >without unnecessary distraction for other developers who are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 23∶59 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 napisał: > As noted, there is one: analyzing the actions of those who are being > "attacked" to see why people are bothering to do it in the first > place. I sincerely doubt the offensive parties are doing what they are > doing

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu pon, 04.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶18 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > On the face of it, I like this proposal. On the other hand, wouldn't it > > > > be > > > better if we just had more active list

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-04 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On the face of it, I like this proposal. On the other hand, wouldn't it > be > > better if we just had more active list moderators? That is, moderators > who > > move problematic user's posts to moderated by default, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread R0b0t1
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > > Yes please. I don't want to see gentoo end because of ... rudeness. > Be careful, it is easy to disguise rudeness as tact.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread R0b0t1
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 > napisał: >> Hello, >> >> In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: >> the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/03/2017 08:19 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > this 18 min talk by Donnie Berkholz from 2012, about Gentoo actually: Someone in private linked that video to me today. Yeah :( > Do not tolerate bad behavior by anyone! --snip-- > It is important to take action which clearly rejects > unacceptable

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Peter Stuge
Hi Michał, Michał Górny wrote: > major problems with some of the posters for more than a year. Please believe me when I say that I know what this feels like. I want to applaud and thank everyone who has been tackling/discussing this issue in private, and I especially want to applaud taking

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner > napisał: > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > This is something that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
More than zero posts on this thread are consistent with this point: On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > 3. Support requests. Some of our 'expert users' have been abusing > the mailing lists to request support (because it's easier to ask > everyone than go through proper channels) and/or

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Bradfield
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 11:33:11PM +0100, Gerion Entrup wrote: I'm a long term Gentoo user, but have read this list a few month only, so correct me, if I'm wrong. I've seen the main usage of this list in three aspects: 1. Review and discussion of new (technical) features (eclasses, EAPI, package

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Gerion Entrup
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2017, 22:43:19 CET schrieb Michał Górny: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan > Ochtman napisał: > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 napisał: > Hello, > > In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: > the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out as I think > it important that everyone realize that not all posts are written

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 20∶19 +0100, użytkownik Róbert Čerňanský napisał: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶34 +0100, użytkownik Vincent-Xavier JUMEL napisał: > Hello there, > > Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to put

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 09:30:36PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Damo Brisbane
"suspicious of" to strong a word - "wary of" ! On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Damo Brisbane wrote: > As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, > however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO > anything requiring

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Damo Brisbane
As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO anything requiring "manual restructuring" - verses automation - I am a little suspicious of. If dumb stuff is coming through, why cant the good stuff be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Hello there, Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
1 / 1b seems reasonable for mitigating signal/noise issues. (previously unaware non-dev subscribers //currently// could post) On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > ...establish the following changes to the mailing lists: > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-02 Thread R0b0t1
Hello, In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out as I think it important that everyone realize that not all posts are written for those immediately participating in the conversation. Some time ago I was

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-02 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, everyone. This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists and solve some of the problems they are facing today. Problems