Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-21 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 11/20/14 5:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:36:32 +0100 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Exherbo is already running a more modular approach, I'd be interested what they have to say about this or which problems they were facing. Well the big thing is that unlike

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-20 Thread Jauhien Piatlicki
On 11/20/2014 05:39 AM, hasufell wrote: I see a lot of things to figure out (especially PM-side, tools-side, maybe even PMS, maybe even repository layout, but also documentation and if it makes sense culture-wise), but I don't see a fundamental unsolvable problem here. It would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:36:32 +0100 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Exherbo is already running a more modular approach, I'd be interested what they have to say about this or which problems they were facing. Well the big thing is that unlike Gentoo, Exherbo was able to switch to using Git for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-20 Thread hasufell
On 11/20/2014 12:41 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/20/2014 05:39 AM, hasufell wrote: I see a lot of things to figure out (especially PM-side, tools-side, maybe even PMS, maybe even repository layout, but also documentation and if it makes sense culture-wise), but I don't see a fundamental

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread hasufell
On 11/18/2014 02:12 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/18/2014 04:19 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Jauhien Piatlicki jauh...@gentoo.org writes: It would be probably good to have in the tree only the core components and move other stuff to the thematic overlays. Then we can have a clear

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread Jauhien Piatlicki
On 11/19/2014 03:36 PM, hasufell wrote: On 11/18/2014 02:12 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/18/2014 04:19 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Jauhien Piatlicki jauh...@gentoo.org writes: It would be probably good to have in the tree only the core components and move other stuff to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread hasufell
On 11/19/2014 06:27 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/19/2014 03:36 PM, hasufell wrote: In the end, I'm not sure if this is actually such a big problem. You can still use random ebuilds from random overlays and commit them straight to your own overlay. A bad idea. Bad because of the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/19/2014 06:27 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/19/2014 03:36 PM, hasufell wrote: In the end, I'm not sure if this is actually such a big problem. You can still use random ebuilds from random overlays and commit them

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:54:05 +0100 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: At that point it is forked. I don't see what's wrong with forking. Forking wouldn't be the problem. Duplication of effort would be the problem. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 20/11/2014 00:58, Rich Freeman ha scritto: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/19/2014 06:27 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/19/2014 03:36 PM, hasufell wrote: In the end, I'm not sure if this is actually such a big problem. You can still use

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 20/11/2014 01:00, Jeroen Roovers ha scritto: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 18:54:05 +0100 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: At that point it is forked. I don't see what's wrong with forking. Forking wouldn't be the problem. Duplication of effort would be the problem. jer worse, mutually

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread hasufell
On 11/20/2014 12:58 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/19/2014 06:27 PM, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: On 11/19/2014 03:36 PM, hasufell wrote: In the end, I'm not sure if this is actually such a big problem. You can still use random

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:36:11 +0100 viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com wrote: At that point it is forked. I don't see what's wrong with forking. Forking wouldn't be the problem. Duplication of effort would be the problem. worse, mutually incompatibility would be much worse I was talking

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:36 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: But keep in mind that the core is supposed to shrink with this idea of a distributed model! So it would be less work to actually roll/tag releases than it would be right now (or even do that stuff in branches). This doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-19 Thread hasufell
On 11/20/2014 04:03 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 7:36 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: But keep in mind that the core is supposed to shrink with this idea of a distributed model! So it would be less work to actually roll/tag releases than it would be right now (or

[gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-18 Thread Jauhien Piatlicki
On 11/18/2014 04:19 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Jauhien Piatlicki jauh...@gentoo.org writes: It would be probably good to have in the tree only the core components and move other stuff to the thematic overlays. Then we can have a clear understanding, how things should be: if something

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-18 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 18/11/2014 14:12, Jauhien Piatlicki ha scritto: On 11/18/2014 04:19 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Jauhien Piatlicki jauh...@gentoo.org writes: It would be probably good to have in the tree only the core components and move other stuff to the thematic overlays. Then we can have a clear

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-project] Re: towards a more distributed model

2014-11-18 Thread Jauhien Piatlicki
On 11/18/2014 03:02 PM, viv...@gmail.com wrote: Il 18/11/2014 14:12, Jauhien Piatlicki ha scritto: On 11/18/2014 04:19 AM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Jauhien Piatlicki jauh...@gentoo.org writes: It would be probably good to have in the tree only the core components and move other stuff to