[gentoo-dev] Gentoo vmware/virtualbox/qemu images

2007-09-21 Thread Tiziano Müller
Hi there,

At the OpenExpo here in Zurich I got many requests for a vmware image of
Gentoo. What do you think of providing a live image in addition to the
minimal- and live-cd's?

Cheers,
Tiziano


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo vmware/virtualbox/qemu images

2007-09-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 19:01 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 At the OpenExpo here in Zurich I got many requests for a vmware image of
 Gentoo. What do you think of providing a live image in addition to the
 minimal- and live-cd's?

Bug #115902

If you can answer the questions in that bug sufficiently, feel free to
revisit this.  Also, please contact the team that would likely be doing
all of the work to get this sort of thing done prior to bringing up such
a proposal, especially when there's already a bug report open for
it.  ;]

We now have a wonderful x86 Release Coordinator, which was one of the
blockers in doing a VMware image before.  Of course, there's always the
what is Gentoo question to determine what we would put in a VM.

I don't get this obsession with a live image when someone can boot the
LiveCD/LiveDVD on real hardware *or* in VMware.  They can even boot the
ISO directly and not even have to burn to disk, so people without a DVD
burner can still use the LiveDVD.  So exactly what problem are we trying
to solve with creating an image that cannot be solved with our current
media?  Where do you plan on storing such a large image?  What other
media are you planning on us removing to support it?

(By the way, I am planning on adding support for creating VMware images
to catalyst, so this will eventually be something much easier for us in
Release Engineering...)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo vmware/virtualbox/qemu images

2007-09-21 Thread Mike Doty

Chris Gianelloni wrote:

On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 19:01 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:

Hi there,

At the OpenExpo here in Zurich I got many requests for a vmware image of
Gentoo. What do you think of providing a live image in addition to the
minimal- and live-cd's?


Bug #115902

If you can answer the questions in that bug sufficiently, feel free to
revisit this.  Also, please contact the team that would likely be doing
all of the work to get this sort of thing done prior to bringing up such
a proposal, especially when there's already a bug report open for
it.  ;]

We now have a wonderful x86 Release Coordinator, which was one of the
blockers in doing a VMware image before.  Of course, there's always the
what is Gentoo question to determine what we would put in a VM.

I don't get this obsession with a live image when someone can boot the
LiveCD/LiveDVD on real hardware *or* in VMware.  They can even boot the
ISO directly and not even have to burn to disk, so people without a DVD
burner can still use the LiveDVD.  So exactly what problem are we trying
to solve with creating an image that cannot be solved with our current
media?  Where do you plan on storing such a large image?  What other
media are you planning on us removing to support it?

(By the way, I am planning on adding support for creating VMware images
to catalyst, so this will eventually be something much easier for us in
Release Engineering...)

The only advantage I see is less than technical people(read windows/osx 
users) who don't know/are afraid of ISOs and such, yet know how to 
operate vmware-player.  Were we to consider Enterprise Gentoo we'd 
certainly want to offer it to people interested in gentoo.  Think of it 
more as a marketing tool.


As for what to put on it, liveDVD is the only sane choice.  That said; 
It would be awsome if when catalyst can build vmware images, to make a 
minimal one as well, so groups(maybe xfce4, kde, ) can make their 
own demos based on that.


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