Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:07:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: R??mi Cardona wrote: Le 26/10/2009 22:58, Richard Freeman a ??crit : Gentoo is about choice. No it isn't. Gentoo is about empowering users, giving them the ability and tools to _change_ the distro to _their_ needs.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread Thomas Sachau
William Hubbs schrieb: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:07:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: R??mi Cardona wrote: Le 26/10/2009 22:58, Richard Freeman a ??crit : Gentoo is about choice. No it isn't. Gentoo is about empowering users, giving them the ability and tools to _change_ the distro to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 06:43:52PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: William Hubbs schrieb: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:07:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: R??mi Cardona wrote: Le 26/10/2009 22:58, Richard Freeman a ??crit : Gentoo is about choice. No it isn't. Gentoo is about empowering

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I just tested this, and make.conf overrides iuse defaults.  To verify this for yourself, pick a package with an iuse default turning on a flag, then turn off the flag in make.conf and check what would happen if you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:37:38PM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I just tested this, and make.conf overrides iuse defaults. ??To verify this for yourself, pick a package with an iuse default turning on a flag, then

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Duncan
Maciej Mrozowski posted on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:17 +0100 as excerpted: And I fail to see *any* point in forcing users to learn Gentoo internals (sic! like USE flags). What else? Ebuild syntax so that they're able to get to know what particular global USE flag is responsible for, when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Richard Freeman
Duncan wrote: Actually, yes. Gentoo has never been a hand-holding distribution. We try to provide documentation and reasonable defaults for any apps the user chooses to install, and let the user configure what they will. Gentoo is about choice. Well, except for the choice to not have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 26/10/2009 22:58, Richard Freeman a écrit : Gentoo is about choice. No it isn't. Gentoo is about empowering users, giving them the ability and tools to _change_ the distro to _their_ needs. Gentoo does _not_ cater to all the possible needs. This is somewhat off-topic, but it irks me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Zeerak Waseem
When it all comes down, I just fail to see how the handbook doesn't provide the pointers. I've always been about getting my system up and running, and then learn whatever needs learning, this means that whilst I didn't have more than a basic knowledge and understanding of useflags when