Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 04:10 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: There are *many* applications in the tree that do not use ALSA, but work only via the OSS emulation. Removing this is a bad idea and it would definitely be blocked by the games team. Probably half of the packages that I maintain require OSS capabilities. but they do not require an oss use flag. The point of removing this flag is to remove optional oss support. Umm... you don't know what you're talking about. The optional OSS support is in ALSA. The packages have required OSS for sound support. Have a look at http://gentoo-portage.com/Search?search=use=oss for the useage of this flag. I know what the flag is used for, and I'm not removing it. And for your games argument. The games ebuilds from the above list I have looked at, provide both the alsa and the oss use flag, as do most really. Do you even know what you're talking about? Have you tried Quake 3? Enemy Territory? Have you noticed that they don't have sound, at all, without OSS emulation? You do know how OSS emulation is turned on, correct? Please do me a favor and quit wasting my time and yours trying to tell me what the packages that I maintain support. It is not about removing OSS emulation, it is about removing duplicated backends. You're simply wrong. So does anyone have any objections to the others being removed? (apm imlib mikmod motif xmms) foomaticdb is missing here, I hope you will not forget it It isn't the the desktop profile. It was in the 2006.1 profile, which is desktop's parent. I think this is a perfect time to point out the past discussions about trying to be polite to fellow developers and the community at large. There's no reason to try to constantly point out you're an idiot and I'm so great. I wield the power! Stefan made suggestions in good intentions. Lot's of us have the same suggestions, however he actually had the initiative to bring them up and offer to help fix them based on what was decided upon. Every step along the way you've tried to bash him and highlight your greatness. Get down off your pedestal... we're all developers here. All contributing to the greater good. Accept the help and move on. -- Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 04:11, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: Some games fail in pkg_setup if sdl-mixer isn't built with mikmod but I'm not sure if we've added the built_with_use check to all of the games that need it yet. Time to fix this. And removing the flag would help, as bugs would be filed. Carsten pgpTLPShOXpNw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [snip] Lets keep this friendly. Obviously genstef was mistaken about the oss use flag. He's not trying to break any of your packages. - -- === Mike Doty kingtaco -at- gentoo.org Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead Gentoo Developer Relations Gentoo Recruitment Lead Gentoo Infrastructure GPG: 0094 7F06 913E 78D6 F1BB 06BA D0AD D125 A797 C7A7 === -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEhZNK0K3RJaeXx6cRArX2AKCxwhdOFcmVIYxmHReYyi5sn0mfZACgs5/o rQX2TbJi/Am0Rn+fvK+EPtQ= =SXov -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 18:03 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: -foomaticdb - foomaticdb is only used for development foomatic xml files. SInce most of our users do not develop printer drivers I suggest making ppds a default use flag instead. Should we have ppds in the 2006.1 profile, or 2006.1/desktop? printers are not only used on desktops, add it in profile please. -oss - oss is a legacy audio interface that has been superseeded by alsa in most current installs, a default use flag is no longer needed There are *many* applications in the tree that do not use ALSA, but work only via the OSS emulation. Removing this is a bad idea and it would definitely be blocked by the games team. Probably half of the packages that I maintain require OSS capabilities. but they do not require an oss use flag. The point of removing this flag is to remove optional oss support. Have a look at http://gentoo-portage.com/Search?search=use=oss for the useage of this flag. And for your games argument. The games ebuilds from the above list I have looked at, provide both the alsa and the oss use flag, as do most really. It is not about removing OSS emulation, it is about removing duplicated backends. So does anyone have any objections to the others being removed? (apm imlib mikmod motif xmms) foomaticdb is missing here, I hope you will not forget it -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So does anyone have any objections to the others being removed? (apm imlib mikmod motif xmms) removing mikmod would probably make things ugly for games as well. A lot of games need mikmod support compiled into sdl-mixer in order to function correctly. Some games fail in pkg_setup if sdl-mixer isn't built with mikmod but I'm not sure if we've added the built_with_use check to all of the games that need it yet. Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 04:10 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: There are *many* applications in the tree that do not use ALSA, but work only via the OSS emulation. Removing this is a bad idea and it would definitely be blocked by the games team. Probably half of the packages that I maintain require OSS capabilities. but they do not require an oss use flag. The point of removing this flag is to remove optional oss support. Umm... you don't know what you're talking about. The optional OSS support is in ALSA. The packages have required OSS for sound support. Have a look at http://gentoo-portage.com/Search?search=use=oss for the useage of this flag. I know what the flag is used for, and I'm not removing it. And for your games argument. The games ebuilds from the above list I have looked at, provide both the alsa and the oss use flag, as do most really. Do you even know what you're talking about? Have you tried Quake 3? Enemy Territory? Have you noticed that they don't have sound, at all, without OSS emulation? You do know how OSS emulation is turned on, correct? Please do me a favor and quit wasting my time and yours trying to tell me what the packages that I maintain support. It is not about removing OSS emulation, it is about removing duplicated backends. You're simply wrong. So does anyone have any objections to the others being removed? (apm imlib mikmod motif xmms) foomaticdb is missing here, I hope you will not forget it It isn't the the desktop profile. It was in the 2006.1 profile, which is desktop's parent. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
