Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 20:46 Sun 13 Sep , Ryan Hill wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:15:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-20 Thread Duncan
Sebastian Pipping posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:00:03 +0200 as excerpted: Duncan wrote: [L]et's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all the time. I think you forget about the learning curve: Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-20 Thread Angelo Arrifano
Duncan wrote: Sebastian Pipping posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:00:03 +0200 as excerpted: Duncan wrote: [L]et's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all the time. I think you forget about the learning

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Duncan
Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: Jesús Guerrero posted on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:11:42 +0200 as excerpted: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200, Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a table on about 200 selected packages [2]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from Distrowatch. Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the usual binary distro. Gentoo has never been about fame or marketing. - - I came here because of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Albert Hopkins wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:36 -0500, Dale wrote: Seriously, I doubt that the average Gentoo user comes from Distrowatch. Gentoo is born from a necessity which is very different from the usual binary distro. Gentoo has never been about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Dale wrote: Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. - analysing referrer logs - doing polls sebastian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Duncan wrote: Agreed. Yes, overlays are perhaps a bit more trouble to setup than simply maintaining normal tree updates once setup. But let's get some context here. layman's no difficulty at all, really, when compared to the ordinary stuff we expect Gentoo users to do all the time.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Sebastian Pipping wrote: Dale wrote: Good question. How would a person know if distrowatch leads people to Gentoo or not? It's not like there is really any way to find out. - analysing referrer logs - doing polls sebastian Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of those. They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the combined log format, or you can add them in a custom log format. So cooperation with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:25:19 -0500, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Where are these referrer logs? I don't recall ever doing one of those. They are in the web server logs. Apache includes them in the combined log format, or you can add them in a custom log

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Alex Legler
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on the forums and I would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Dale
Alex Legler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:08:38 -0500, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: As has been said before, a lot of people don't go to the forums to see the poll. I only go to the forums to search if I have a problem before posting to the list. There may have been a dozen polls on

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-13 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:15:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it? I want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-12 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Ryan Hill wrote: Personally I don't see how gaming the system helps us in any way. I was afraid it could be read in such a way. Handing out fake version numbers would be much easier, wouldn't it? I want every single package int he tree to be stable, up to date and polished. But as our

[gentoo-dev] Re: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

2009-09-11 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:02:44 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is per package. I assume that DistroWatch is still one of the first