Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Installation of static libraries, USE=static-libs proposal
Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi, I'm really curious to know why a new (global) useflag couldn't do the trick. Read Mart's mail again, that's exactly what he's proposing. And if no-one objects, I'll be working this inside the gnome2 eclass (with review on this list before the final commit of course) to see how things should be handled. Cheers Rémi -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Installation of static libraries, USE=static-libs proposal
Hi, I'm really curious to know why a new (global) useflag couldn't do the trick. Let's say, we introduce a new useflag called "static-libs" and enable it by defaulin all profiles. Then we can have a look at the lib packages step by step and add support when it seems useful there and test out carefully. There's no presure to this for the whole distro at once. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Installation of static libraries, USE=static-libs proposal
On T, 2008-07-01 at 11:33 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Duncan a écrit : > > Probably others than GNOME, too. > > Thus Mart's effort to bring it to gentoo-dev :) And for constructive discussing of it, including with releng and other teams. > > This is the ticklish bit, but there's still a way around it for users > > (such as those trying to fit GNOME on a liveCD) that need it. Useing > > portage's bashrc, setup a conditional that excepts packages that need > > static libs and set INSTALL_MASK='*.a' for everything else. > > No, it was pointed out that this cannot be done for LiveCD material, as > the packages would have a different content as a regular install. So > this is just out of the question. > > For those wondering : "find /usr/lib64 -name "*.a" | xargs du -ch" will > tell you how much disk space is wasted by static libraries. > > On my Gnome box, this is 246M. I know we won't be able to bring this to > 0, but having it closer to 10~20M is a very worthy goal imho. In addition I'm looking for a clean solution, not every Gentoo user having to have a INSTALL_MASK set with a few exceptions that they don't know; and if they don't know what are the exceptions, they'll have trivial problems like bash not working, iirc. Btw, just to be clear, I'm not claiming this is the sole reason GNOME doesn't fit on LiveCD's anymore, but it is a big contributor for that. -- Mart Raudsepp Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Installation of static libraries, USE=static-libs proposal
Duncan a écrit : Probably others than GNOME, too. Thus Mart's effort to bring it to gentoo-dev :) This is the ticklish bit, but there's still a way around it for users (such as those trying to fit GNOME on a liveCD) that need it. Useing portage's bashrc, setup a conditional that excepts packages that need static libs and set INSTALL_MASK='*.a' for everything else. No, it was pointed out that this cannot be done for LiveCD material, as the packages would have a different content as a regular install. So this is just out of the question. For those wondering : "find /usr/lib64 -name "*.a" | xargs du -ch" will tell you how much disk space is wasted by static libraries. On my Gnome box, this is 246M. I know we won't be able to bring this to 0, but having it closer to 10~20M is a very worthy goal imho. Cheers, Rémi -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Installation of static libraries, USE=static-libs proposal
Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:05:51 +0300: > Over a year or two ago, it was communicated that it supposedly a policy > that USE=static should only control if a package installs static > libraries INSTEAD of shared libraries, and never to be used to control > if static libraries are installed in _addition_ to shared ones or not. That's as I understand it too. > Packages were coerced to stop using USE=static for controlling that, and > most of them ended up unconditionally installing both static and shared > libraries. What's worse - they were told that if a package can provide > both shared libraries and static libraries at once, it just MUST (or > SHOULD) install them both instead of choosing to not ship the static > libraries. OK, but see below. > End result that affects me: GNOME does not fit on LiveCD installation > media anymore. Ouch! > So I'm proposing a USE=static-libs or similar to get out of this > problem, and a lifting of the supposed (I wasn't around as a dev that > long ago to know for sure) policy of having to install both instead of > choosing to never install static libraries. I'm not sure this is warranted. See below. > I am quite sure that absolutely nothing whatsoever uses about 97% of the > static GNOME libraries we are now installing as an end result. [...] Probably others than GNOME, too. > There are packages in the tree that are required to install static > libraries, or something else in the system breaks. So INSTALL_MASK=*.a > is not a solution in my eyes. This is the ticklish bit, but there's still a way around it for users (such as those trying to fit GNOME on a liveCD) that need it. Useing portage's bashrc, setup a conditional that excepts packages that need static libs and set INSTALL_MASK='*.a' for everything else. If you've not yet seen Ed Catmur's bashrc script setup, "I+'5 d4 60mb!" I don't personally find many of its capabilities useful, but his auto- patching setup has sure come in handy, and the entire thing is just incredibly extensible on a nicely solid base. =8^) It should make setting this up a breeze, and be handily expansible for 'most anything else you might come up with as well. If it were me, I'd use that as a base and go from there utilizing the idea I suggested above. http://catmur.co.uk/gentoo/ Additionally, you don't mention whether you checked with them already or not, but releng and subprojects may have some suggestions in this area. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
