Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removal of articles.xml from website

2005-06-10 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:54:49AM +0530, Shyam Mani wrote:
 That said, amybe we can can contact DW and ask for a permalink of sorts? 
 Or if we could mirrior the article on our site? Any other solutions?

I know from Daniel that DW takes the exclusive rights to publish the
articles for the first X months (I believe it was 6 months, but don't take
my word on it). We are allowed to republish those articles later (as we've
done with for instance an article about CVS), even in the form of a GuideXML
document.

Perhaps we can add all articles to our own repository? If we put a note on
top stating
  note
  This article was originally published at the IBM DeveloperWorks website.
  /note
and we get the agreement of the authors we should be all right.

Wkr,
  Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removal of articles.xml from website

2005-06-09 Thread Shyam Mani
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On 06/10/2005 08:44 AM, Duncan wrote:

 To me, that's a valid link, one that Gentoo should be proud of.  In
 deleting that page, it's as if we are trying to wash away some part of our
 past, the bad old days, that we are somehow ashamed of.  To me, that
 just doesn't seem right.  

I think the intention was to remove everything that wasn't maintainable
and didn't have anything to do with politics, but I do agree with you
here. That 3 article series is really, really well written and IMHO
should not be removed from the site. That said, amybe we can can contact
DW and ask for a permalink of sorts? Or if we could mirrior the article
on our site? Any other solutions?

What this would also probably being up is why the bias towards those 3?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removal of articles.xml from website

2005-06-09 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 09/06/2005-20:14:33(-0700): Duncan types
.. snip  ..
 
 
 That said, there remains the practical issue of keeping links updated.  I
 see a couple possibilities.
 
 One, there's the idea others floated -- note on the page the problem of
 keeping links updated as to why links aren't provided, and suggest
 searching on the titles listed, possibly with IBM DeveloperWorks listed
 specifically, or otherwise with publisher or original source acknowledged,
 to ease the search.
 
 Two, keep the links, but again, specifically acknowledge some of them move
 from time to time, list them as last verified links, and display a
 feedback mechanism (email, or web form based to prevent email harvesting,
 or whatever) prominently asking for reader link update submissions.  If a
 reader says a link doesn't work and it's verified, with no new link
 immediately available, simply note that it has been verified dead and ask
 for updates.  The idea here is to leave the links as well as acknowledging
 they may be outdated, but leave the work of providing updates to the
 readers.

Three, keep a local copy of the articles unless you're forbidden to.

Four, provide a link to a cached copy, e.g.,
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs.html

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