[gentoo-dev] About obsolete/useless devaway messages

2012-01-28 Thread Pacho Ramos
Was reviewing http://dev.gentoo.org/devaway/ and I have seen there are a
lot of obsolete messages. Could you take a look and verify don't have an
old .away file in your homes ;) ?

Thanks a lot


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Re: [gentoo-dev] About obsolete/useless devaway messages

2012-01-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
 Was reviewing http://dev.gentoo.org/devaway/ and I have seen there are a
 lot of obsolete messages. Could you take a look and verify don't have an
 old .away file in your homes ;) ?

Might not hurt to generally consider the usefulness of .away messages
in general.  If you have one and it doesn't really convey anything
useful, then it might as well not be there.

If Gentoo is something you only sporadically work at, and you plan on
being that way for years, and you carefully control your
responsibilities accordingly, I'm not sure it is necessary to
advertise the fact.

If you normally have one level of availability, and it is going to be
different for some reasonable period of time, then it is useful so
that people know what is going on.

Useful messages:
I'm on vacation until Feb 8th - check with other team members in the meantime.
Just started a new job - bear with me while I hand off
responsibilities / get back on my feet in a few weeks.

Less useful message:
My job comes first - will not have much time for Gentoo for the next
30 years but I'll do what I can.

If things are changing .away is a great tool.  If things are going to
impact your level of Gentoo contribution for a long time the best
thing to do is to just change your level of involvement to suit.
Probably not good to be the project lead for Chromium if you can only
look for updates twice a year, and so on.  If you maintain three
packages and do the odd arch test and your teammates generally know
that, no real need to advertise - just watch for bug emails and
comment on anything that looks urgent...

Rich



Re: [gentoo-dev] About obsolete/useless devaway messages

2012-01-28 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 28-01-2012 a las 10:57 -0500, Rich Freeman escribió:
 On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
  Was reviewing http://dev.gentoo.org/devaway/ and I have seen there are a
  lot of obsolete messages. Could you take a look and verify don't have an
  old .away file in your homes ;) ?
 
 Might not hurt to generally consider the usefulness of .away messages
 in general.  If you have one and it doesn't really convey anything
 useful, then it might as well not be there.
 
 If Gentoo is something you only sporadically work at, and you plan on
 being that way for years, and you carefully control your
 responsibilities accordingly, I'm not sure it is necessary to
 advertise the fact.
 
 If you normally have one level of availability, and it is going to be
 different for some reasonable period of time, then it is useful so
 that people know what is going on.
 
 Useful messages:
 I'm on vacation until Feb 8th - check with other team members in the 
 meantime.
 Just started a new job - bear with me while I hand off
 responsibilities / get back on my feet in a few weeks.
 
 Less useful message:
 My job comes first - will not have much time for Gentoo for the next
 30 years but I'll do what I can.
 
 If things are changing .away is a great tool.  If things are going to
 impact your level of Gentoo contribution for a long time the best
 thing to do is to just change your level of involvement to suit.
 Probably not good to be the project lead for Chromium if you can only
 look for updates twice a year, and so on.  If you maintain three
 packages and do the odd arch test and your teammates generally know
 that, no real need to advertise - just watch for bug emails and
 comment on anything that looks urgent...
 
 Rich
 
 

I fully agree, personally, I think we should tend to only have messages
informing about an important change in our involvement with Gentoo and
the cases when we expect to not be able to commit anything for a few
months but will return after that.

Also looks important to me that, when going to contribute less on
maintainership, people should try to find new maintainers or
co-maintainers for their packages if possible (sending a mail to
gentoo-dev for example)




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Re: [gentoo-dev] About obsolete/useless devaway messages

2012-01-28 Thread Markos Chandras
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On 01/28/2012 03:57 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org
 wrote:
 Was reviewing http://dev.gentoo.org/devaway/ and I have seen
 there are a lot of obsolete messages. Could you take a look and
 verify don't have an old .away file in your homes ;) ?
 
 Might not hurt to generally consider the usefulness of .away
 messages in general.  If you have one and it doesn't really convey
 anything useful, then it might as well not be there.
 
 If Gentoo is something you only sporadically work at, and you plan
 on being that way for years, and you carefully control your 
 responsibilities accordingly, I'm not sure it is necessary to 
 advertise the fact.
 
 If you normally have one level of availability, and it is going to
 be different for some reasonable period of time, then it is useful
 so that people know what is going on.
 
 Useful messages: I'm on vacation until Feb 8th - check with other
 team members in the meantime. Just started a new job - bear with
 me while I hand off responsibilities / get back on my feet in a few
 weeks.
 
 Less useful message: My job comes first - will not have much time
 for Gentoo for the next 30 years but I'll do what I can.
 
 If things are changing .away is a great tool.  If things are going
 to impact your level of Gentoo contribution for a long time the
 best thing to do is to just change your level of involvement to
 suit. Probably not good to be the project lead for Chromium if you
 can only look for updates twice a year, and so on.  If you maintain
 three packages and do the odd arch test and your teammates
 generally know that, no real need to advertise - just watch for bug
 emails and comment on anything that looks urgent...
 
 Rich
 
This has been discussed in the paste and the result was this bug
report[1]. But these people who have long standing devaways are not
participating on our lists therefore these threads ends up in /dev/null.

[1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338829

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