Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-04 Thread Peter Stuge
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > All this is to say that "easy to read" is in the eye of the beholder. > For ebuilds in the tree, the beholder is usually the maintainer, which > is why I think the choice should be left up to him. I think what mgorny says is that locality of ebuilds is an important

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-04 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/04/2017 02:50 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Why is it fine for you to handicap everyone else for your personal > laziness? As it's been told more than once, you write ebuild *once*, > people read it *multiple times*. Look, I'm sorry if I've been overly confrontational. I emailed angry and I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-04 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 06:33 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> It did, even back in 2004: >> https://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/handbook/hb-guide-ebuild.xml?hideattic=0=1.10=markup#l534 > You got me, but now we can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-04 Thread Michał Górny
On czw, 2017-08-03 at 23:24 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 06:33 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > The developer handbook that I just said didn't mention variables in > > > HOMEPAGE at all. > > > > It did, even back in 2004:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/03/2017 06:33 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> The developer handbook that I just said didn't mention variables in >> HOMEPAGE at all. > > It did, even back in 2004: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Sam Jorna
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:54:17PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > d. no random ${PN} all over the install phase. I think some qualification of "random ${PN} all over the install phase" needs to be made - how random is random, are there any allowed instances? AFAIK with the exception of some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 03:39 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> The developer handbook was also a "policy" manual of sorts when it >> existed. > The developer handbook that I just said didn't mention variables in > HOMEPAGE at all. It did, even back in 2004:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On czw, 2017-08-03 at 11:33 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE >> variable in ebuilds. >> >> As I understand it, this ban was put in place so that people can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 03:39 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> (The old handbook never mentioned variables, from what I can see.) >>> >> >> The developer handbook was also a "policy" manual of sorts when it existed. > > The developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/03/2017 03:39 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> >> (The old handbook never mentioned variables, from what I can see.) >> > > The developer handbook was also a "policy" manual of sorts when it existed. The developer handbook that I just said didn't mention variables in HOMEPAGE at all.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 02:57 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> >> It's in the devmanual, which imposes gentoo-specific policy on top of PMS. >> > > It would be nice if that were true, but there's a lot of junk and/or > personal preference

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > [...] Portage Manager Specification [...] D'oh! pgp6Uct6pop5G.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Mike Gilbert wrote: > I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the > HOMEPAGE variable in ebuilds. I think this is not a good idea. For example, it would break browse-url-at-point (C-u u .) from within Emacs. > [...] > Allowing variables in HOMEPAGE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/03/2017 02:57 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > It's in the devmanual, which imposes gentoo-specific policy on top of PMS. > It would be nice if that were true, but there's a lot of junk and/or personal preference documented in the devmanual, and a lot of actual-policy that's still missing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 11:33 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE >> variable in ebuilds. >> > > What ban are you referring to? The Portage Manager Specification doesn't >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
On czw, 2017-08-03 at 14:21 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 08/03/2017 11:33 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE > > variable in ebuilds. > > > > What ban are you referring to? The Portage Manager Specification doesn't > say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 08/03/2017 11:33 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE > variable in ebuilds. > What ban are you referring to? The Portage Manager Specification doesn't say anything of the sort. Seriously though, whatever sort of tricks your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Jonas Stein
Hi Mike, > I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE > variable in ebuilds. > > As I understand it, this ban was put in place so that people can > easily copy/paste from an ebuild to a web browser. It made it also possible to grep through the packages and find

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Michał Górny
On czw, 2017-08-03 at 11:33 -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: > I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE > variable in ebuilds. > > As I understand it, this ban was put in place so that people can > easily copy/paste from an ebuild to a web browser. > > If people want to

[gentoo-dev] Allow variable refs in HOMEPAGE

2017-08-03 Thread Mike Gilbert
I would like to remove the ban on variable references in the HOMEPAGE variable in ebuilds. As I understand it, this ban was put in place so that people can easily copy/paste from an ebuild to a web browser. If people want to copy/paste the URL, they can easily query the final value using the