Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Anders Hellgren wrote: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Stuart Herbert wrote: On 6/23/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazingly confused about why technical policy decisions (and even discussions about them) are being made by devrel in a devrel-specific channel. Could someone clear

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Joshua Nichols
Jakub Moc wrote: Anders Hellgren wrote: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Stuart Herbert wrote: On 6/23/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazingly confused about why technical policy decisions (and even discussions about them) are being made by devrel in a devrel-specific channel.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? What is this absolute nonsense of you don't like my toy, you can't have your toy going on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Seemant Kulleen wrote: First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? Not sure either, maybe brix will be able to answer your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Seemant Kulleen wrote: This childishness from *all* sides is getting really old, really fast. People need to grow the hell up, and quit with the melodrama. +1 (with gusto!) -- Andrew Gaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/ Gentoo Linux Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 08:43:23AM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? What is this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
Seemant Kulleen wrote: First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? What is this absolute nonsense of you don't like my toy, you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread George Shapovalov
This was originally supposed to go into another thread, but hey - this is a perfect illustration of what I am going to talk about (to unconfuse Seemant right away - this is not related to your posting but rather to the situation that lead to it). I really was considering sending this as a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:09:24 +0200 Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because | he *doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over | another? One unofficial project that has screwed up so badly that the council has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Joshua Nichols wrote: Umm maybe it's just to early in the morning, but I don't see anything in the logs regarding using bugzilla for overlays not on overlays.gentoo.org. I only see references to sunrise specifically, not a blanket statement for all non-overlays.gentoo.org overlays Or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: I believe that jakub finds this devrel decision a step out of bounds (not sure if anyone else detected the that in his statement) and saying that to the java folks is moreso a way of pointing out just how silly it is :) I mean if he was serious, he would have addressed the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 03:27:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:09:24 +0200 Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because | he *doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over | another?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because he *doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over another? The jave unofficial overlay is well on its way to becoming an official and officially hosted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Also, just so I'm clear on my stance on this: I don't care one whit about whether those keywords are used in bugzilla or not. Keywords are a way to help bugzilla users use bugzilla. As for perceptions about it -- as long sunrise is clear on their pages that they are absolutely not official as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 11:11:15AM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because he *doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over another? The jave unofficial

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Mike Doty
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Alec Warner wrote: I believe that jakub finds this devrel decision a step out of bounds (not sure if anyone else detected the that in his statement) and saying that to the java folks is moreso a way of pointing out just how silly it is :) I mean if he was serious, he

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
Executive summary: There is a (by now) well established knowledge on group dynamics depending on its size, involving parameters such as Dubnar's number for example. Two references I spotted just recently (well, Ok, they are from 2004 actually :)) can be found below:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 01:33:21PM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 18:07 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 11:11:15AM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even