Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 14:13 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: i dont really see this being an issue ... i dont think anyone really has 'xml -xml2' or '-xml xml2' ... much more likely they have 'xml xml2' or '-xml -xml2' -mike And what about PHP users, who will see their SAX parsers disappear, because they need to change USE=xml to USE=expat, and no-one's told them about it? :) I feel really bad that you're going off and making this change during the holiday season, when IT departments are going to be understaffed at best. If a security-related release of affected packages had to happen, your un-announced change could end up breaking production boxes. I'm also feeling really bad that no-one seems to think it's important to tell our users that we're making this change before the change is made. At least one week's notice in the usual places would be better than nothing. Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://stu.gnqs.org/diary/ GnuGP key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint = 31FB 50D4 1F88 E227 F319 C549 0C2F 80BA F9AF C57C -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Thursday 29 December 2005 06:35, Stuart Herbert wrote: On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 14:13 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: i dont really see this being an issue ... i dont think anyone really has 'xml -xml2' or '-xml xml2' ... much more likely they have 'xml xml2' or '-xml -xml2' I feel really bad that you're going off and making this change during the holiday season, when IT departments are going to be understaffed at best. If a security-related release of affected packages had to happen, your un-announced change could end up breaking production boxes. i already told you in the bug that i wasnt going to be making the major changes over the precious holiday season (changing all ebuilds to IUSE=xml from IUSE=xml2) the only changes that are happening now are in samba/php/pykota/sitecopy ... the samba/pykota maintainer noted that the xml stuff is hardly used, while the sitecopy stuff only exists in the older ebuilds as for your php, the changes affect only dev-lang/php which: - you php guys yourselves have declared dev-lang/php *incomplete* - thus it is *not* meant to be used on production systems - theres already a friggin billion USE flags in php so anyone upgrading php should know enough to check `emerge -pv` output to see what kind of crazy stuff has changed for who knows what reasons if an IT dept is stupid enough to use such clearly alpha packages on their production systems, not to mention trying to upgrade it during the holiday season, when IT departments are going to be understaffed at best, then they deserve to get their stupid ass fired -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
29.12.2005, 12:52:09, Mike Frysinger wrote: [rant omitted] Maybe you could rather have used those 5 minutes you had spent writing your mail to fix horde ebuilds/eclass instead. They have been broken with dev-lang/php ever since it came into portage. :P Have a nice day... -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) pgpcIGWOQtg0m.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Thursday 29 December 2005 08:06, Jakub Moc wrote: Maybe you could rather have used those 5 minutes you had spent writing your mail to fix horde ebuilds/eclass instead. They have been broken with dev-lang/php ever since it came into portage. :P speaking of dicks, i knew i hadnt heard from you in a while i dont recall ever seeing a bug report about this issue ... oh, thats because no one said anything about it or filed one, funny how that works -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
29.12.2005, 14:20:37, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 29 December 2005 08:06, Jakub Moc wrote: Maybe you could rather have used those 5 minutes you had spent writing your mail to fix horde ebuilds/eclass instead. They have been broken with dev-lang/php ever since it came into portage. :P speaking of dicks, i knew i hadnt heard from you in a while i dont recall ever seeing a bug report about this issue ... oh, thats because no one said anything about it or filed one, funny how that works -mike For your reference, I even cared to attach a patch for horde (among tens of other bugs filed for dev-lang/php compitibility) - but that patch never made it to portage, despite the bug has been marked as fixed. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105395 Should I reopen the bug or will you do so yourself? -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) pgpfAV8SbOqHB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Thursday 29 December 2005 12:29, Jakub Moc wrote: For your reference, I even cared to attach a patch for horde (among tens of other bugs filed for dev-lang/php compitibility) - but that patch never made it to portage, despite the bug has been marked as fixed. that's because the way i changed it worked for me ... however, no one provided any feedback to the contrary, so the bug has stayed closed -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
Stuart Herbert wrote: I can see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure it's worth the potential disruption that this will cause our users. Unless I'm missing something, won't every user who has any form of USE=xml, USE=-xml, USE=xml2, or USE=-xml2 in make.conf and packages.use get a nasty surprise the next time they emerge -u world? I haven't seen any discussion taking this into account yet. Best regards, Stu Most profiles turn on xml2 by default so we can just have the xml global use flag on by default to avoid most breakage. Then people turning -xml2 will just get xml until they switch to -xml. If you want to run a minimal ship, you should be doing emerge -pv any way before updates to check for new use flags. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/portage/profiles $ grep xml2 -r /usr/portage/profiles/ -l package.use is probably something we can't affect atm. It would probably be useful if Portage checked for unexisting flags in it. This is just one of those things that have to be properly informated to the user base until our tools are better in handling these situations. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:58:03PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:48 +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? I can see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure it's worth the potential disruption that this will cause our users. Unless I'm missing something, won't every user who has any form of USE=xml, USE=-xml, USE=xml2, or USE=-xml2 in make.conf and packages.use get a nasty surprise the next time they emerge -u world? I haven't seen any discussion taking this into account yet. i dont really see this being an issue ... i dont think anyone really has 'xml -xml2' or '-xml xml2' ... much more likely they have 'xml xml2' or '-xml -xml2' -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Better to use the correct list: $ metascan -av IUSE xml IUSE xml2 Generating package list ... done Scanning packages for ['IUSE', 'IUSE'] ... done media-libs/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1 net-fs/samba-3.0.20-r1 net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r3 net-fs/samba-3.0.20b net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r2 net-fs/samba-3.0.20a dev-lang/php-4.3.11-r4 dev-lang/php-4.4.0-r4 dev-lang/php-4.4.1-r2 net-print/pykota-1.22_p1548 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1874 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1869 net-misc/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2 Marius Both -- net-fs/samba and -- net-print/pykota pratically use xml2, with internal (==package) retrocompatibility checks on the presence of older libraries. Moreover, the xml functionality is used only by a very small percentage of users (and the vast majority of them use xml2). For these packages there should :-) be no issue in unifying the xml and xml2 use flags. Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDqTijxrlkonpN2woRAj0LAJ0Rbzkda4eZcmScwZw6KeZ3K1xxnwCgpfMH vhbjONuCrlV59HWIsP/5OW4= =/dto -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 02:55, Duncan wrote: What about doing with xml what was done with gtk, when gtk2 was deprecated? IOW, where both are possible, default to one or the other, which ever one is merged, or choose one (preferably making it a Gentoo-wide default, for consistency) if both or neither are merged. not really needed seeing as how very few (well pretty much no) packages offer both xml and xml2 support ive started a bug here for those who wish to follow progress: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116346 -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:48:52PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? then you'd have to deprecate the usage of xml2 is there any package which uses both xml and xml2 ? if not, i dont see why we cant condense the two down into one -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:48:52PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? then you'd have to deprecate the usage of xml2 is there any package which uses both xml and xml2 ? if not, i dont see why we cant condense the two down into one -mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test/java $ qgrep -v IUSE | grep xml2 | grep -e xml[^2] dev-tcltk/tclxml/tclxml-3.0.ebuild: IUSE=expat threads xml2 media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: IUSE=jpeg X xml xml2 debug doc gtk net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild: IUSE=ssl xml xml2 gnome nls net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 Found a couple. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 12:19:01AM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:48:52PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? then you'd have to deprecate the usage of xml2 is there any package which uses both xml and xml2 ? if not, i dont see why we cant condense the two down into one [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test/java $ qgrep -v IUSE | grep xml2 | grep -e xml[^2] media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: IUSE=jpeg X xml xml2 debug doc gtk net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild: IUSE=ssl xml xml2 gnome nls net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 Found a couple. then these will have to be reconciled first ... -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 00:19 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test/java $ qgrep -v IUSE | grep xml2 | grep -e xml[^2] dev-tcltk/tclxml/tclxml-3.0.ebuild: IUSE=expat threads xml2 media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: IUSE=jpeg X xml xml2 debug doc gtk net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild: IUSE=ssl xml xml2 gnome nls net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 Found a couple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] pykota # qgrep -v -e 'xml2\??' |egrep 'pykota|sitecopy| libwmf' media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: xml2? ( !xml? ( dev-libs/libxml2 ) ) media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: xml? ( dev-libs/expat ) net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild:xml? ( dev-libs/libxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) pykote draws the same package, and doesn't compile anything, so I don't think they are relavent sitecopy-0.13.4-r2 does IUSE both, But uses them to determine weather or not to use XML1 || XML2. It doens't enable both. On the other hand libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1 warns you about using both. - if use xml use xml2; then -einfo You can specify only one flag of xml and xml2. -einfo It will be defaulted to expat (like autocheck does). Could we have one XML flag and an xml.eclass to determine which XML version is installed on a particular system. -Lares -- Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] | LRU: 400755 http://counter.li.org lares/irc.freenode.net | Gentoo x86 Arch Tester | ::0 Alberta, Canada Public Key: 0D46BB6E @ subkeys.pgp.net | Encrypted Mail Preferred Key fingerprint = 0CA3 E40D F897 7709 3628 C5D4 7D94 483E 0D46 BB6E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:04:55PM -0700, Lares Moreau wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 00:19 +0200, Petteri R?ty wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test/java $ qgrep -v IUSE | grep xml2 | grep -e xml[^2] dev-tcltk/tclxml/tclxml-3.0.ebuild: IUSE=expat threads xml2 media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: IUSE=jpeg X xml xml2 debug doc gtk net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild: IUSE=ssl xml xml2 gnome nls net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 Found a couple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] pykota # qgrep -v -e 'xml2\??' |egrep 'pykota|sitecopy| libwmf' media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: xml2? ( !xml? ( dev-libs/libxml2 ) ) media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: xml? ( dev-libs/expat ) net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild:xml? ( dev-libs/libxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: xml? ( dev-python/jaxml ) net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: xml2? ( dev-python/jaxml ) pykote draws the same package, and doesn't compile anything, so I don't think they are relavent good sitecopy-0.13.4-r2 does IUSE both, But uses them to determine weather or not to use XML1 || XML2. It doens't enable both. sitecopy maintainer should comment here ... On the other hand libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1 warns you about using both. actually, this usage is sort of bogus ... the USE=xml should be changed to USE=expat Could we have one XML flag and an xml.eclass to determine which XML version is installed on a particular system. one XML USE flag yes, an xml.eclass no ... that's just useless cruft -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing description for the xml global use flag
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:19:01 +0200 Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 11:48:52PM +0200, Petteri R??ty wrote: /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc:xml - Check/Support flag for XML library (version 1) I think the xml use flag should be more generic. There are after all other alternatives for xml support than dev-libs/libxml. Maybe something like Adds xml support? then you'd have to deprecate the usage of xml2 is there any package which uses both xml and xml2 ? if not, i dont see why we cant condense the two down into one -mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test/java $ qgrep -v IUSE | grep xml2 | grep -e xml[^2] dev-tcltk/tclxml/tclxml-3.0.ebuild: IUSE=expat threads xml2 media-libs/libwmf/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1.ebuild: IUSE=jpeg X xml xml2 debug doc gtk net-misc/sitecopy/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2.ebuild: IUSE=ssl xml xml2 gnome nls net-print/pykota/pykota-1.22_p1548.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1869.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 net-print/pykota/pykota-1.23_p1874.ebuild: IUSE=ldap postgres snmp xml xml2 Found a couple. Better to use the correct list: $ metascan -av IUSE xml IUSE xml2 Generating package list ... done Scanning packages for ['IUSE', 'IUSE'] ... done media-libs/libwmf-0.2.8.3-r1 net-fs/samba-3.0.20-r1 net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r3 net-fs/samba-3.0.20b net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r2 net-fs/samba-3.0.20a dev-lang/php-4.3.11-r4 dev-lang/php-4.4.0-r4 dev-lang/php-4.4.1-r2 net-print/pykota-1.22_p1548 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1869-r1 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1874 net-print/pykota-1.23_p1869 net-misc/sitecopy-0.13.4-r2 Marius Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
