[gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I don't think we can keep the discussion off -dev forever though. It seems like we're close to being able to implement, which means lots of changes that impact all devs. I can't imagine that we'd want to implement that without some kind of council

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Honestly, this whole thread, with the exception of Rafael, makes me facepalm incredibly, because everybody is saying it's easy! without asking the people who have done the work up to now and will have to manage it. Noone said it's easy. Please don't put words in my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 14:41, Peter Stuge wrote: Noone said it's easy. «This just strikes me as something that is about at the point where we could just do it.» This was Rich at 11.29 Pacific Time. Several said it needs to just-be-done, without further consensus. I support that. Everyone also agrees

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: With all due respect, .. you calling for shutdown dates .. is obnoxious. I don't know about respectful, but oh well.. Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming this mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:21, Peter Stuge wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: With all due respect, .. you calling for shutdown dates .. all without changing a stupid subject line to at least show you're no longer speaking about the original topic (it's not like people can be psychic that you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming this mailing list like three-year-olds screaming rude complaints about how things do not work and calling infra bad names, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:53, Peter Stuge wrote: Then you probably don't know half the Gentoo developers I think they are the ones who should fork. :) Unfortunately the problem is that they tend to linger around even after forking... -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu —

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Gregory M. Turner
If you're going to paint me and the other folks expressing opinions as entitled mouth-breathers, certainly you can't expect not to hear any reply because it's off-topic! On 10/1/2012 2:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I don't think we can keep the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm sorry. Perhaps Rich and I