Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-08 Thread John Helmert III
On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 09:43:19AM +0100, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > Hi, > > Whatever outside the arch testing (like tinderbox) is off topic here since it > is a completely different argument. > > To make John Helmert III happy, I just switched to tatt; so my actual > workflow is tatt + nattka

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-08 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On martedì 8 novembre 2022 14:26:18 CET Michał Górny wrote: > If the code was > public, I could try figuring it out and perhaps even fixing it. Stable requests are handled by many people. o, since your requests were ignored by all members and sam said that him, arthurzam, jsmolic are using

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-08 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2022-11-07 at 19:23 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 6:16 PM Sam James wrote: > > > > > On 7 Nov 2022, at 06:07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: > > > > I would be in favour of stepping up the social

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-08 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
Hi, Whatever outside the arch testing (like tinderbox) is off topic here since it is a completely different argument. To make John Helmert III happy, I just switched to tatt; so my actual workflow is tatt + nattka and there is nothing more. If there are unanswered questions about the arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Oskari Pirhonen
On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 08:26:15 +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote: > I _believe_ ago's tinderbox isn't being paid by the GF _anymore_ due to > this reason, but he keeps it running with his own expenses. I don't mind > this as long as the results are desirable and not phony. I still see a > lot of value

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 8.11.2022 2.23, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Of course if somebody wants to contribute to 100% FOSS tinderbox > efforts that would be even better. Perhaps if our 100% FOSS tinderbox > efforts addressed our needs very well, then nobody would want to > bother with the proprietary reports, or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Arthur Zamarin
On 06/11/2022 10.34, Sam James wrote: > > ... > > That had two parts: > 1. https://github.com/projg2/nattka/issues/72 & > https://github.com/projg2/nattka/pull/73 (done) > 2. https://github.com/arthurzam/tattoo/issues/1 (not done) I was waiting for nattka-0.4 (which returns the field value)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:34 PM John Helmert III wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 07:23:33PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Proprietary tools do contribute to this since they can > > generate results that are harder to reproduce, but if they are clear > > and accurate and actionable it could

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread John Helmert III
On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 07:23:33PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 6:16 PM Sam James wrote: > > > > > On 7 Nov 2022, at 06:07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: > > >> I would be in favour of stepping up the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Sam James
> On 8 Nov 2022, at 00:23, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 6:16 PM Sam James wrote: >> >>> On 7 Nov 2022, at 06:07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 6:16 PM Sam James wrote: > > > On 7 Nov 2022, at 06:07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: > >> I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and actually > >> prohibiting this kind of things, we had that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread Sam James
> On 7 Nov 2022, at 06:07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: >> I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and actually >> prohibiting this kind of things, we had that before too, the nattka you >> mgorny wrote is replacement

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-07 Thread John Helmert III
On Mon, Nov 07, 2022 at 08:26:15AM +0200, Joonas Niilola wrote: > On 7.11.2022 8.07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: > >> I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and actually > >> prohibiting this kind of things, we had

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 7.11.2022 8.07, Oskari Pirhonen wrote: > On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: >> I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and actually >> prohibiting this kind of things, we had that before too, the nattka you >> mgorny wrote is replacement for old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Oskari Pirhonen
On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 11:37:24 +0100, Piotr Karbowski wrote: > I would be in favour of stepping up the social contract and actually > prohibiting this kind of things, we had that before too, the nattka you > mgorny wrote is replacement for old bugzilla bot that was ... > closedsource and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread John Helmert III
On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 08:03:16PM +0100, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > On domenica 6 novembre 2022 14:27:40 CET John Helmert III wrote: > > As far as I can tell, there's ONE person relying completely on a > > proprietary arch testing system. > > > > Ago, could you comment on this? What's blocking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On domenica 6 novembre 2022 14:27:40 CET John Helmert III wrote: > As far as I can tell, there's ONE person relying completely on a > proprietary arch testing system. > > Ago, could you comment on this? What's blocking you from open sourcing > your software? Hi, I already answered in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On domenica 6 novembre 2022 09:15:40 CET Michał Górny wrote: > On top of that, it seems that most of it still relies on proprietary > software and we have no clue how *exactly* it works, and it's really, > really hard to get a straight answer. I'm speaking for myself. I still use getatoms.py to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread John Helmert III
On Sun, Nov 06, 2022 at 09:15:40AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > Arch testing's relying on automation a lot these days. Not saying > that's bad, if it improves the state of affairs. However, I have some > concerns, based on what I've seen lately. > > On top of that, it seems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Piotr Karbowski
Hi, On 06/11/2022 09.15, Michał Górny wrote: On top of that, it seems that most of it still relies on proprietary software and we have no clue how*exactly* it works, and it's really, really hard to get a straight answer. I never understood how it become socially acceptable in open source

Re: [gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Sam James
> On 6 Nov 2022, at 08:15, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, everyone. > > Arch testing's relying on automation a lot these days. Not saying > that's bad, if it improves the state of affairs. However, I have some > concerns, based on what I've seen lately. Thanks for starting this discussion, I

[gentoo-dev] Disturbing state of arch testing in Gentoo

2022-11-06 Thread Michał Górny
Hi, everyone. Arch testing's relying on automation a lot these days. Not saying that's bad, if it improves the state of affairs. However, I have some concerns, based on what I've seen lately. On top of that, it seems that most of it still relies on proprietary software and we have no clue how