Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-24 Thread Kent Fredric
On 21 May 2012 04:26, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, In today's MythBusters™: do we actually need the whole ugly-awful mangling games.eclass does for games? By that I mean: - installing games in random pre-/postfixes rather than standard FHS-y  locations, - changing ownership

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-22 Thread Michał Górny
I've opened a bug for this: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417101 -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:16:44PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Micha?? G??rny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: - changing ownership and permissions of all the files. As a side note: why is /usr/games owned by uid games? Does games_pkg_setup() in games.eclass do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/21/2012 10:17 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:16:44PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Micha?? G??rnymgo...@gentoo.org wrote: - changing ownership and permissions of all the files. As a side note: why is /usr/games owned by uid games? Does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-21 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I don't know the current situation, but I recall that in the past, some games pounded away directly on the VGA hardware for speed, or called libraries that did so. I think that the main sentiment in this thread is that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:26:14AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote I suppose you mean the XFree86-DGA extension, USE=dga? $ cd $(portageq envvar PORTDIR) $ grep -r IUSE.*dga */*/*.ebuild http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/output/genrdeps/rindex/x11-libs/libXxf86dga But I fail to see how that is

[gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, In today's MythBusters™: do we actually need the whole ugly-awful mangling games.eclass does for games? By that I mean: - installing games in random pre-/postfixes rather than standard FHS-y locations, - changing ownership and permissions of all the files. Do we really need all of this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Fabio Erculiani
I second that. simplicity = win. -- Fabio Erculiani

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: - changing ownership and permissions of all the files. As a side note: why is /usr/games owned by uid games? Does games_pkg_setup() in games.eclass do that? What's the point of user games (as opposed to group with same name)?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Dan Douglas
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 06:26:17 PM Michał Górny wrote: Do we really need all of this poor man's 'you shall not play our games'? I don't think we're using anything like /usr/office office group, or /usr/random-programs-i-dont-like. I'd put money on there not being a single admin who has ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Marien Zwart
+1 on getting rid of the munging. In my opinion games aren't nearly special enough to get this kind of special treatment. On zo, 2012-05-20 at 20:16 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Games are rather unique in that they sometimes keep scores across multiple users. Yes, and that's frequently handled

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/20/2012 07:22 PM, Dan Douglas wrote: I'd put money on there not being a single admin who has ever used the games group to control access to games. Games really have no business being on a system where anything like that is a requirement

Re: [gentoo-dev] Do we need games group and all that game prefixes?

2012-05-20 Thread Dan Douglas
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:29:28 PM Michael Weber wrote: On 05/20/2012 07:22 PM, Dan Douglas wrote: I'd put money on there not being a single admin who has ever used the games group to control access to games. Games really have no business being on a system where anything like that is a