Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
Le mardi 29 mars 2011 à 23:36 +0100, Markos Chandras a écrit : On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:36:00AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. This is preparation for dropping the uncompressed usb.ids file from sys-apps/usbutils, which HAL relies on. Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to prevent overlapping features. -Samuli Good evening, Why didn't you use the news utility to inform users about this change and possible transition steps/migration guide? This is a rather big change that might (or may not) require a bit of effort from non-power users to migrate their systems to the new backend. A short summary of http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-858965-start-0.html would be nice but I guess it is too late for that since another major change occurred without advertising it properly to our users. Regards, I wouldn't say it's too late for cases like this. A documentation about reasons and ways to remove hal support and still get a nice desktop experience is always re-assuring to users. Even if it comes one or two weeks too late. -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On 03/30/2011 01:36 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:36:00AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. Why didn't you use the news utility to inform users about this change and possible transition steps/migration guide? This is a rather big change that might (or may not) require a bit of effort from non-power Let's stop here. The mask has effect only on some 5-6 packages in tree, and not even that many if you count only latest. The big changes happened long before this when each desktop stopped supporting it and it falls under the umbrella of said desktops to inform their users if they feel it's necessary. users to migrate their systems to the new backend. A short summary of http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-858965-start-0.html would be nice but I guess it is too late for that since another major change occurred without advertising it properly to our users. I don't like the idea of using unofficial forums posts in official news items. That said, tampakrap converted the post to guidexml once, but it needs polishing up. Volunteers are required to clean it up. That said, I still support the idea of news item, just not the idea of you trying to dump the responsibility from the desktop maintainers to me... - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 01:27:48PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: That said, I still support the idea of news item, just not the idea of you trying to dump the responsibility from the desktop maintainers to me... - Samuli That wasn't my attempt at all. I am sorry if I expressed in a wrong way. My main concern was that this kind of changes require a specific transition steps which are not always obvious to most of us. Even me who actively participate in ML and forums had problems during this migration. Regards, -- Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 pgpTw5K1A56TM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:36:00AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. This is preparation for dropping the uncompressed usb.ids file from sys-apps/usbutils, which HAL relies on. Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to prevent overlapping features. -Samuli Good evening, Why didn't you use the news utility to inform users about this change and possible transition steps/migration guide? This is a rather big change that might (or may not) require a bit of effort from non-power users to migrate their systems to the new backend. A short summary of http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-858965-start-0.html would be nice but I guess it is too late for that since another major change occurred without advertising it properly to our users. Regards, -- Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 pgpZc8y1TMsbr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. app-cdr/k3b (abridged): --- k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/26 14:40:09 1.4 +++ k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/27 17:04:14 1.5 -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.4 2011/03/26 14:40:09 scarabeus Exp $ +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.5 2011/03/27 17:04:14 ssuominen Exp $ -KEYWORDS=amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 x86 +KEYWORDS=~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86 I filed bug 360899, but you might want to make sure that nothing else was reverted from stable when these changes were made. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: stuff that shouldn't have gone to -dev-announce Apologies - did not take careful note of my headers. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 28.3.2011 13:25, Rich Freeman napsal(a): On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. app-cdr/k3b (abridged): --- k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/26 14:40:09 1.4 +++ k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/27 17:04:14 1.5 -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.4 2011/03/26 14:40:09 scarabeus Exp $ +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.5 2011/03/27 17:04:14 ssuominen Exp $ -KEYWORDS=amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 x86 +KEYWORDS=~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86 I filed bug 360899, but you might want to make sure that nothing else was reverted from stable when these changes were made. Rich Shit happens as it is used to say, albeit for next time it might better rather than filling the bug fixing it yourself and just reporting it on - -dev :) So it gets fixed faster :) Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2QdRgACgkQHB6c3gNBRYdXHwCfdQkjjIzrbWGt/P9uydEmaTno KocAnRGISAfcOif+FBnhlY3MEJP/1s7P =zVPd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On 03/28/2011 02:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. app-cdr/k3b (abridged): --- k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/26 14:40:09 1.4 +++ k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild 2011/03/27 17:04:14 1.5 -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.4 2011/03/26 14:40:09 scarabeus Exp $ +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-cdr/k3b/k3b-2.0.2-r1.ebuild,v 1.5 2011/03/27 17:04:14 ssuominen Exp $ -KEYWORDS=amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 x86 +KEYWORDS=~amd64 ~ppc ~ppc64 ~x86 I filed bug 360899, but you might want to make sure that nothing else was reverted from stable when these changes were made. Rich No, this should be the only one. I won't go into details, but I know what happened there... Sorry and thanks for catching it. - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
2011/3/28 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org: Shit happens as it is used to say, As demonstrated by my clumsy reply... :) albeit for next time it might better rather than filling the bug fixing it yourself and just reporting it on - -dev :) So it gets fixed faster :) Not if I test it properly (direct change in the stable tree to things like HAL aren't something I'd do lightly - you guys at least know what you were trying to accomplish and already have an answer should QA come calling). Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On 03/28/2011 03:06 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: 2011/3/28 Tomáš Chvátal scarab...@gentoo.org: Shit happens as it is used to say, As demonstrated by my clumsy reply... :) albeit for next time it might better rather than filling the bug fixing it yourself and just reporting it on - -dev :) So it gets fixed faster :) Not if I test it properly (direct change in the stable tree to things like HAL aren't something I'd do lightly - you guys at least know what you were trying to accomplish and already have an answer should QA come calling). Rich well, it would have been fixed faster if you just poked me on IRC: ssuominen, fix your sh*t first time I've heard of this, was from scarabeus at IRC when it was already fixed :)
[gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
USE=hal is masked in base/use.mask, but unmasked for kde-base/solid and app-cdr/k3b in base/package.use.mask pending on KDE 4.6.x stabilization. This is preparation for dropping the uncompressed usb.ids file from sys-apps/usbutils, which HAL relies on. Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to prevent overlapping features. -Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
Samuli Suominen schrieb: Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to prevent overlapping features. The result of this is that KDE and Gnome are now not installable at the same time on a stable system. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn schrieb: Samuli Suominen schrieb: Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to prevent overlapping features. The result of this is that KDE and Gnome are now not installable at the same time on a stable system. Ah sorry, I was wrong. KDE and Gnome are installable at the same time if you disable automounting support in KDE. However that situation is still not great. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
Le 27/03/2011 10:36, Samuli Suominen a écrit :
Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to
prevent overlapping features.
Samuli,
I know you want to kill HAL with a vengeance. I don't disagree with the
ultimate goal but I think you've gone too far.
HAL and u{power,disks} are _perfectly_ parallel installable and there
are absolutely _no_ conflicts between the two.
Blockers should be used for _file_ conflicts, not for _feature_
conflicts, otherwise we'd have to mask and get rid of half (or even
more) of all the packages we provide in portage.
I urge to reconsider this blocker and mask.
Thanks
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Rémi Cardona wrote:
Le 27/03/2011 10:36, Samuli Suominen a écrit :
Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to
prevent overlapping features.
I know you want to kill HAL with a vengeance. I don't disagree with the
ultimate goal but I think you've gone too far.
HAL and u{power,disks} are _perfectly_ parallel installable and there
are absolutely _no_ conflicts between the two.
Blockers should be used for _file_ conflicts, not for _feature_
conflicts, otherwise we'd have to mask and get rid of half (or even
more) of all the packages we provide in portage.
latest pciutils blocks hal, so i think that should cover the urge
people to migrate aspect in ~arch
-mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
On 03/28/2011 12:32 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Rémi Cardona wrote:
Le 27/03/2011 10:36, Samuli Suominen a écrit :
Also, both udisks and upower now have blockers for sys-apps/hal to
prevent overlapping features.
I know you want to kill HAL with a vengeance. I don't disagree with the
ultimate goal but I think you've gone too far.
HAL and u{power,disks} are _perfectly_ parallel installable and there
are absolutely _no_ conflicts between the two.
Blockers should be used for _file_ conflicts, not for _feature_
conflicts, otherwise we'd have to mask and get rid of half (or even
more) of all the packages we provide in portage.
latest pciutils blocks hal, so i think that should cover the urge
people to migrate aspect in ~arch
-mike
I've changed this to be a bit more friendly.
As you pointed out, pciutils is one.
And ~arch version of upower is second.
KDE really needs to step up and get KDE 4.6.x stabilization bug open,
and this non-issue would become moot ;-)
Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: USE=hal masked in base/use.mask and related
KDE really needs to step up and get KDE 4.6.x stabilization bug open, and this non-issue would become moot ;-) True, we'd also have a new stable KDE rather sooner than later. It's only limited fun if upstream considers your stable version dead. :| 4.6.0 looked OK for a .0 release, some regressions compared to 4.5.5 4.6.1 introduced a lot of regressions compared to _4.6.0_! One possible cause for this might be that upstream was (and still is) in the middle of the svn - git migration, and that the 4.6.1 tarballs were pieced together by hand from different repositories... (*) Anyway. 4.6.2 will be tagged on thursday, and we hope this is going to be a worthy stable candidate. (and no, afaic that does not include kdepim...) (*) The discussion for 4.6.1: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2011-February/004572.html The ongoing discussion for 4.6.2: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2011-March/004619.html -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
