Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-13 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Josh Saddler wrote:
 Long as we're discussing things to punt, here's some stuff to kick out
 of the desktop profile:

and for the server profiles there's

mailwrapper - merely broken, nothing useful at all

  Tobias


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-03 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 03 November 2008 04:29:34 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
 Why not use EAPI=1 for those ebuilds and turn the flag on by default?

Well, as I said, it seems more sensible to me to set the default once, instead 
of once for each ebuild.  I don't particularly care, though, just making sure 
people know why it was there in the first place, and if they still want to 
change it, so be it.



Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-02 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM, David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 01 November 2008 02:44:50 Josh Saddler wrote:
 emboss - Seriously. Who needs the European Biology Open Software Suite
 on a *desktop* oriented system?

 That flag is only used by a few sci-biology packages, so if you don't have any
 of those installed, it doesn't matter whether the flag is on or off.  IIRC
 the argument for having it on was that the majority of people who /do/ use
 those packages will want it.

 I suppose one could say that it should be set in IUSE or profile package.use
 instead, but IMHO, if there are enough packages using it to justify making it
 a global flag in the first place, and all of them need the same default, it
 makes sense to set the default globally (*cough*ocamlopt*cough*).

Why not use EAPI=1 for those ebuilds and turn the flag on by default?
Same for the panel stuff for which +eds is good for integration? I
think EAPI=1 +use should be used to de-pollute the desktop etc
profiles :)

IIRC, there are enough stable versions of portage with EAPI=1 support.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-01 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 01 November 2008 02:44:50 Josh Saddler wrote:
 emboss - Seriously. Who needs the European Biology Open Software Suite
 on a *desktop* oriented system?

That flag is only used by a few sci-biology packages, so if you don't have any 
of those installed, it doesn't matter whether the flag is on or off.  IIRC 
the argument for having it on was that the majority of people who /do/ use 
those packages will want it.

I suppose one could say that it should be set in IUSE or profile package.use 
instead, but IMHO, if there are enough packages using it to justify making it 
a global flag in the first place, and all of them need the same default, it 
makes sense to set the default globally (*cough*ocamlopt*cough*).



Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-10-31 Thread Josh Saddler
Mart Raudsepp wrote:
 I'm believe the primary reason is for release LiveCD's.
 They ship with evolution-exchange, and that requires
 evolution/evolution-data-server to be built with USE=kerberos
 They don't do /etc/portage business, so it's a global USE flag to get
 things like GRP packages to work right.

Yes, but not just for the LiveCDs. I spoke with wolf31o2 about this some
time ago, asking why it was turned on in the desktop profile. He said it
was for Evolution stuff, not just on the LiveCDs though. Also supposed
to be useful for folks who want lots of Exchange and other stuff for
their rich email client.

I'm also in favor of punting it from the desktop profiles; doing so puts
me that much closer to actually using it.

Long as we're discussing things to punt, here's some stuff to kick out
of the desktop profile:

mikmod - Seriously, how many folks make it a habit to listen to .MOD
music all the time? Even netlabels like Monotonik, which started *out*
as .mod, make it harder to find their old .mod stuff.

ldap - Punt for the same reasons kerberos is being punted.

eds - Down with more Evolution things! Though possibly not ideal for
Gnome user?

esd - no one should be using Enlightenment Sound Daemon, period. Ain't
it deprecated, anyway? No worky?

emboss - Seriously. Who needs the European Biology Open Software Suite
on a *desktop* oriented system?




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Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-10-31 Thread Olivier CrĂȘte
On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 19:44 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote:
 mikmod - Seriously, how many folks make it a habit to listen to .MOD
 music all the time? Even netlabels like Monotonik, which started *out*
 as .mod, make it harder to find their old .mod stuff.

Agree

 ldap - Punt for the same reasons kerberos is being punted.

Thats used by some public services like keyserver.pgp.com, so I think it
should stay there.

 eds - Down with more Evolution things! Though possibly not ideal for
 Gnome user?

That's a non-starter, we need to keep it in the gnome panel to have the
nice integration.. There is an argument to be made that it shouldn't be
a use flag in the panel maybe.

 esd - no one should be using Enlightenment Sound Daemon, period. Ain't
 it deprecated, anyway? No worky?

DIE DIE.. Maybe we should replace it with pulseaudio ?

 emboss - Seriously. Who needs the European Biology Open Software Suite
 on a *desktop* oriented system?



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Olivier CrĂȘte
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gentoo Developer


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