Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 21:18 Wed 09 Feb , Fabian Groffen wrote: This is a post-FOSDEM call for people with interest for a Gentoo text-based installer. If you are a developer, or Gentoo user, and feel like spending some time on (possibly) creating a text-based installer for Gentoo in cooperation with others, please contact me (off-list). Like http://agaffney.org/quickstart.php ? We mentioned quickstart on FOSDEM and getting boxes installed up to stage4 so they have all the software one wants to get them into production. Fabian, is your thread about this or about something else? Regards, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On 12-02-2011 11:47:09 +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Like http://agaffney.org/quickstart.php ? We mentioned quickstart on FOSDEM and getting boxes installed up to stage4 so they have all the software one wants to get them into production. Fabian, is your thread about this or about something else? It doesn't ring a bell to me, so I think it is about something else. Anyway, I think enough people have responded to my call for help now. Thanks to all who considered. I carried over the idea/project to other devs now, that will implement it and announce as they see fit. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On 10-02-2011 07:54:16 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The only way to avoid epic failures is to keep the whole thing simple, without trying to fit everybody. An installer that would cover a standard install, newbie-oriented scenario would be definitely good. Experienced people won't use it anyway, so why bothering trying to cover their needs, it would be a straight way to fail again. Just FYI: Interestingly, it were the power/experienced users that requested a simple installer, because they got tired of copypaste-ing the same commands from the manual over and over again. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
Fabian Groffen dixit (2011-02-10, 10:39): On 10-02-2011 07:54:16 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The only way to avoid epic failures is to keep the whole thing simple, without trying to fit everybody. An installer that would cover a standard install, newbie-oriented scenario would be definitely good. Experienced people won't use it anyway, so why bothering trying to cover their needs, it would be a straight way to fail again. Just FYI: Interestingly, it were the power/experienced users that requested a simple installer, because they got tired of copypaste-ing the same commands from the manual over and over again. Actually power users install Gentoo from memory, it's really not much more, than untarring two tarfiles, editing a few configs, making the kernel and installing the bootloader. -- [a]
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
10.02.2011, 12:56, Antoni Grzymala awa...@chopin.edu.pl: Fabian Groffen dixit (2011-02-10, 10:39): On 10-02-2011 07:54:16 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The only way to avoid epic failures is to keep the whole thing simple, without trying to fit everybody. An installer that would cover a standard install, newbie-oriented scenario would be definitely good. Experienced people won't use it anyway, so why bothering trying to cover their needs, it would be a straight way to fail again. Just FYI: Interestingly, it were the power/experienced users that requested a simple installer, because they got tired of copypaste-ing the same commands from the manual over and over again. Actually power users install Gentoo from memory... dd if=/dev/brain of=/dev/hda1 :) -- Regards, Konstantin
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
Konstantin Tokarev dixit (2011-02-10, 13:01): 10.02.2011, 12:56, Antoni Grzymala awa...@chopin.edu.pl: Fabian Groffen dixit (2011-02-10, 10:39): On 10-02-2011 07:54:16 +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The only way to avoid epic failures is to keep the whole thing simple, without trying to fit everybody. An installer that would cover a standard install, newbie-oriented scenario would be definitely good. Experienced people won't use it anyway, so why bothering trying to cover their needs, it would be a straight way to fail again. Just FYI: Interestingly, it were the power/experienced users that requested a simple installer, because they got tired of copypaste-ing the same commands from the manual over and over again. Actually power users install Gentoo from memory... dd if=/dev/brain of=/dev/hda1 :) bs=512 count=∞ :) -- [a]
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On 21:18 Wed 09 Feb , Fabian Groffen wrote: This is a post-FOSDEM call for people with interest for a Gentoo text-based installer. If you are a developer, or Gentoo user, and feel like spending some time on (possibly) creating a text-based installer for Gentoo in cooperation with others, please contact me (off-list). Like http://agaffney.org/quickstart.php ? -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.com pgpVQQh81hULr.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
This is a post-FOSDEM call for people with interest for a Gentoo text-based installer. If you are a developer, or Gentoo user, and feel like spending some time on (possibly) creating a text-based installer for Gentoo in cooperation with others, please contact me (off-list). During FOSDEM, I've been asked by a developer to share efforts on a text-based installer for Linux distributions. There is a fair share of work already done, but for the Gentoo case, certain pieces will be missing. I am looking for someone to take the lead in using the existing efforts to craft a scenario for the installer that performs the Gentoo Linux installation e.g. from the livecd. I do not wish to start a discussion on wether or not an installer makes sense. I do not wish to replace the installation handbook at all either. It has been brought to my attention that an installer (that also can be pre-configured with the right options) is useful for certain scenarios, and I would like to give it a shot to see how easy such thing could be provided. The installer in mind here, would also possibly work for Gentoo Prefix bootstraps, for which we would use a bootstrap cd. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
What would be the main goals of this installer? Could you elaborate a high level description of it? As I said in the past, beside some annoying deps, anaconda already works for Sabayon and working on a pure Gentoo module would be quite easy. In change you get one of the most reliable graphical installer out there. Text frontend comes for free, but nowadays, there aren't many servers without a vesa-compatible video card or VNC/X-over-ssh/whatever availability. Regards, -- Fabio Erculiani http://lxnay.com
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On 2/9/11 10:33 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: What would be the main goals of this installer? Could you elaborate a high level description of it? As I said in the past, beside some annoying deps, anaconda already works for Sabayon and working on a pure Gentoo module would be quite easy. In change you get one of the most reliable graphical installer out there. Text frontend comes for free, but nowadays, there aren't many servers without a vesa-compatible video card or VNC/X-over-ssh/whatever availability. Oh, if we can get that installer for free, that would sound great. Can anaconda give the user a shell at any point of the installation? Is it possible to manually skip the automated steps? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
talk to igli on freenode as he's the author of a Gentoo based installer named Gen2, perhaps he will be interested in this project. You can checkout current sources at git@213.131.245.114:gent2.git. I hope this won't be another GLI failed project but i have faith it won't. On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 21:18 +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: This is a post-FOSDEM call for people with interest for a Gentoo text-based installer. If you are a developer, or Gentoo user, and feel like spending some time on (possibly) creating a text-based installer for Gentoo in cooperation with others, please contact me (off-list). During FOSDEM, I've been asked by a developer to share efforts on a text-based installer for Linux distributions. There is a fair share of work already done, but for the Gentoo case, certain pieces will be missing. I am looking for someone to take the lead in using the existing efforts to craft a scenario for the installer that performs the Gentoo Linux installation e.g. from the livecd. I do not wish to start a discussion on wether or not an installer makes sense. I do not wish to replace the installation handbook at all either. It has been brought to my attention that an installer (that also can be pre-configured with the right options) is useful for certain scenarios, and I would like to give it a shot to see how easy such thing could be provided. The installer in mind here, would also possibly work for Gentoo Prefix bootstraps, for which we would use a bootstrap cd. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 22:42:52 +0100 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: Can anaconda give the user a shell at any point of the installation? Is it possible to manually skip the automated steps? Last I checked, Anaconda was designed for binary installations, originally for RPM-based systems. Trying to shove source-based compilation into a binary installer seems like a lot of time, trouble, and hacking. Better to start from scratch. I hope you guys talk to releng about your CLI-based installer, if it gets off the ground. Since we'll need to figure out what's supported as an official install method. If you aren't worried about a canonical way of doing things with the existing media, then never mind. Either way, good luck. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Installer (text-based)
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 22:42:52 +0100 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: Can anaconda give the user a shell at any point of the installation? Is it possible to manually skip the automated steps? Last I checked, Anaconda was designed for binary installations, originally for RPM-based systems. Trying to shove source-based compilation into a binary installer seems like a lot of time, trouble, and hacking. Better to start from scratch. Anaconda doesn't depend against rpm anymore. Distro-specific bits have to be implemented through a backend. You can make your backend do whatever you want. I hope you guys talk to releng about your CLI-based installer, if it gets off the ground. Since we'll need to figure out what's supported as an official install method. If you aren't worried about a canonical way of doing things with the existing media, then never mind. Either way, good luck. The only way to avoid epic failures is to keep the whole thing simple, without trying to fit everybody. An installer that would cover a standard install, newbie-oriented scenario would be definitely good. Experienced people won't use it anyway, so why bothering trying to cover their needs, it would be a straight way to fail again. -- Fabio Erculiani http://lxnay.com
