Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users and sends it to a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-08-2011 21:23, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 03:18 Fri 26 Aug , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: The point I was addressing is the suggestion that the above should be possible and the idea that any single developer is entitled to do so. It's a moot point, because no one (that I see) claimed or is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-26 Thread Dale
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: I've picked this message as I want to address one point in this thread that was focused on this sub-thread. I disagree with the idea that adding an application to the Gentoo tree that collects data from users and sends it to a central (or distributed) system is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:03:44 +0200 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2011.08.24 11:48, Patrick Lauer wrote: [snip] If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) This app and if its opt in or opt out will set a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided that the reminder can be turned off too, if the user really does not want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: It has to be opt-in as opt out would be a dangerous precendent to set. I don't see any harm is a gentle reminder message from emerge, provided that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: We did post to -dev, hence this thread. My post was intended to be general in applicability, and not critical of the particular instance of this issue being discussed. I would generally suggest that implementing this as a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-08-2011 14:35, Alec Warner wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: snip The big issue with opt-out is privacy law - especially in Europe (that's leaving aside just being up-front with users). We'd end

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need is basically an easy-to-find file / web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) Of course, we could place it in some blatantly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant resistance :) Well, we could always broadcast the news

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 12:48 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 08/24/11 12:31, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, On 18:16 Tue 23 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Mittwoch 24 August 2011, 12:48:35 schrieb Patrick Lauer: If you sneakily add something to cron.daily by default you can get pretty nice coverage. But I guess anyone trying that in Gentooland will meet some rather unpleasant

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Mario Fetka
i am a user and i am ok with opt-out if the std data that is transferd is compleatly anonymized so no sensitive data. and if the user wants to register his/her machine pkg's more data is trasnfered thx Mario 2011/8/24 Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org: On 13:03 Wed 24 Aug 2011, Andreas K. Huettel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up to the Council/Trustees ultimately, but opinions (and better still

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Kahle to...@gentoo.org wrote: Sorry, but NO.  If you want you can make a big noise message that asks users to install the cron-job but opt-out is not an option here. Well, that's up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-23 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi Vikram, there is one important aspect of your program that really needs to be documented (and comments in the code are not enough): What data exactly is the client sending to the server?! What you need is basically an easy-to-find file / web page / ... where this is explained concise and

[gentoo-dev] Gentoostats, SoC 2011

2011-08-22 Thread Vikraman
Hi all, Gentoostats[0] is a GSoC 2011 project to collect package statistics from gentoo machines. Please check it out. Bug reports and feature suggestions are welcome. To submit your stats, use the app-portage/gentoostats ebuild from betagarden overlay[1]. [0]