Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-05-01 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Friday 28 April 2006 21:29, George Shapovalov wrote: Friday, 28. April 2006 21:20, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) Ви написали: OK; just to clarify my understanding, and perhaps for anyone else watching who saw things as muddled as I did: [skip] Just to be really anal :) 3) A herd does not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 27 April 2006 19:55, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:11:33PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: The thing is, in most cases it doesn't really matter. But a herd is a group of packages. That may be how it was originally intended, but it seems to me - and to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
OK; just to clarify my understanding, and perhaps for anyone else watching who saw things as muddled as I did: 1) A herd is a group of packages, no more, no less. A package must be a member of at least one herd (since the herd entry is mandatory in metadata.xml, and metadata.xml is mandatory).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread George Shapovalov
Saturday, 29. April 2006 00:28, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) Ви написали: On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:29:58 +0200 George Shapovalov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday, 28. April 2006 21:20, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: 3) A herd does not have an email address - it's not a person or group of people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 20:29, Seemant Kulleen wrote: I would like emphasise: A herd is a group of like *packages* A team is a bunch of people who share a common goal (sometimes to maintain a herd of packages). A herd is also a bunch of mindless beasts who follow each other. does it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:29:32 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To that end, it's been brought up that perhaps the metadata.xml files are partly to blame, in that they imply that the package is maintained by a herd. There is not maintainer-team listed, just a herd. So, I would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Alin Nastac
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: It would be useful to know how many people think herds are not maintainers - if only a few people think this then I suggest it would be better to accept the common interpretation of herd as a group of people who can maintain a package. I've always considered

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:22 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: I must admit I've assumed that the herd entry in metadata.xml is a reasonable fall-back if the maintainer entry is missing or the listed maintainer is away/not responding. This is implied by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 27 April 2006 09:22, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:29:32 -0400 Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To that end, it's been brought up that perhaps the metadata.xml files are partly to blame, in that they imply that the package is maintained by a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo)
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:27:12 -0400 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 09:22 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: I must admit I've assumed that the herd entry in metadata.xml is a reasonable fall-back if the maintainer entry is missing or the listed maintainer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 07:11:33PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: The thing is, in most cases it doesn't really matter. But a herd is a group of packages. That may be how it was originally intended, but it seems to me - and to others it seems - that the herds have evolved into what was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 15:54 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: A herd is a group of like *packages* A team is a bunch of people who share a common goal (sometimes to maintain a herd of packages). A herd is also a bunch of mindless beasts who follow each other. The metastructure document

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 27 April 2006 10:54, Stuart Herbert wrote: I think the way forward would be to have this clarification (of herds vs teams) added to the metastructure document, and then for us to sort out the metadata.xml files on the back of that. imho, rather than fixing the people's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Mike, On 4/27/06, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 April 2006 10:54, Stuart Herbert wrote: I think the way forward would be to have this clarification (of herds vs teams) added to the metastructure document, and then for us to sort out the metadata.xml files on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 19:54 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: Where? Two places. First, in the description of maintainer: Besides being a member of a herd, a package can also be maintained directly which implies packages can be maintained by being a member of a herd and No, it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 14:14 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 27 April 2006 10:54, Stuart Herbert wrote: I think the way forward would be to have this clarification (of herds vs teams) added to the metastructure document, and then for us to sort out the metadata.xml files on the back

[gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi All, Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have become blurry. I would like emphasise: A herd is a group of like *packages*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Mark Loeser
Seemant Kulleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have become blurry. I would like emphasise:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest. People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a statement over time that people understand. I'm not sure why we want to try and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Daniel Goller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seemant Kulleen wrote: Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest. People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a statement over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 22:38, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. then you might as well just keep herd and discard team altogether -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 26 April 2006 22:38, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. then you might as well just keep herd and discard team altogether Yeah, pretty