Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-04 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi Doug, I just got to this thread, so sorry for entering the debate a bit late. I find your propositions very interesting. In my manifesto [1] I have proposed something significantly different which simply consists in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-04 Thread Doug Goldstein
2009/6/3 Piotr Jaroszyński pe...@gentoo.org: 2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-04 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: This is not a debate nor is this thread meant to be a launching point for people to promote their own campaign for being on the council and I chide you for taking it as such. I was just trying to contribute to the debate,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-04 Thread Richard Freeman
Doug Goldstein wrote: The amount of time spent debating something over the pretty look and not over technical merits creates terrible signal-to-noise ratios (where I consider the pretty debates as noise and the technical merits as signal). I'm not sure that much time on this list is spent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
2009/6/2 Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Denis Dupeyron
Hi Doug, I just got to this thread, so sorry for entering the debate a bit late. I find your propositions very interesting. In my manifesto [1] I have proposed something significantly different which simply consists in spinning the long discussions off the council meetings using more focused

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-03 Thread Richard Freeman
Denis Dupeyron wrote: In my manifesto [1] I have proposed something significantly different which simply consists in spinning the long discussions off the council meetings using more focused groups ++ I've seen this used to good effect on projects at work. The only challenge might be the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
(items 1 through 2b): ... +1. Go and read up Robert's Rules of Order folks. The equivalent for your own language usually exists. Erskine May (en_GB) and Code Morin (fr_CA) off the top of my head. 3) Once discussion on the topic has concluded, the council members will vote on the actions

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tuesday 02 June 2009 06:15:43 Doug Goldstein wrote: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Dienstag, den 02.06.2009, 01:53 -0400 schrieb Andrew D Kirch: Doug Goldstein wrote: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Heya, thanks for bringing this up! Doug Goldstein wrote: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Montag, den 01.06.2009, 23:15 -0500 schrieb Doug Goldstein: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-02 Thread Petteri Räty
Doug Goldstein wrote: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming

[gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-01 Thread Doug Goldstein
All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming of them. It's taken me a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-01 Thread Arun Raghavan
Hello, I haven't been able to attend a council meeting for a bit since it occurs at ~2:30 am my time, but for what it's worth: On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 23:15 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: [...] 1) Agenda Topics are posted to the appropriate mailing lists at a MINIMUM 7 days prior to the meeting.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format

2009-06-01 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Doug Goldstein wrote: All, The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming