Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-19 Thread Raymond Jennings
My main concern in this thread, is that I don't want anything swept under the rug in such a way that a wider issue is masked that actually needs dealt with anyway. Examples: * A workaround to deal with a bug, especially one filed on b.g.o - What happens if/when the bug gets fixed? Won't the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-19 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/17/2016 06:09 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > My biggest ​opinion regarding workarounds and bugs, is that we're > sweeping things under the rug that should at least be documented, and > perhaps fixed...or even punted upstream if its serious enough. > > Changing the status quo may require some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Monday, October 17, 2016 9:23:09 AM EDT Michał Górny wrote: > > Example: udev people had problems with MULTILIB_WRAPPED_HEADERS > in the past. Instead of contacting me (which would result in helpful > explanation how to do things properly), they abused bash to disable > the check function

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 17/10/16 03:23 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I'd like to point out a major problem in Gentoo: there's a fair number > of developers who add various local workarounds to problems they meet > and don't bother to report a bug. Worst than that, this applies not > only for upstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Raymond Jennings
My personal opinion: If you have to work around it, its already a bug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Ilya Tumaykin
On Monday 17 October 2016 09:23:09 Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. Hello. Coacher's here. > Example 2: Coacher had problem with git-r3 not trying fallback URIs > when earlier URI was https and https wasn't supported in git. So he > reordered URIs to have https last. With tiny

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > > Changing the status quo may require some adjustment though, but I suppose we > could start by openly documenting a bug if we find a workaround that does > not already have a bug number associated with it. I've seen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Raymond Jennings
My biggest ​opinion regarding workarounds and bugs, is that we're sweeping things under the rug that should at least be documented, and perhaps fixed...or even punted upstream if its serious enough. Changing the status quo may require some adjustment though, but I suppose we could start by openly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Paweł Hajdan , Jr .
On 17/10/2016 12:42, Patrice Clement wrote: > We don't need yet another policy to "fix" two problems you've > encountered +1 ; policies don't always fix things It's a worthwhile guideline though - as Gentoo devs, and maybe even wider community, we should work together to fix problems. That's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Patrice Clement
Monday 17 Oct 2016 09:23:09, Michał Górny wrote : > Hello, everyone. > > I'd like to point out a major problem in Gentoo: there's a fair number > of developers who add various local workarounds to problems they meet > and don't bother to report a bug. Worst than that, this applies not > only for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Raymond Jennings
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I'd like to point out a major problem in Gentoo: there's a fair number > of developers who add various local workarounds to problems they meet > and don't bother to report a bug. Worst than that, this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:23:09 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Therefore, I'd like to request establishing an official policy against > workarounds with no associated bug reports. > > Your thoughts? Obviously I assume this is still a "to taste" thing, because when you're packaging

[gentoo-dev] Local workarounds with no reported bugs

2016-10-17 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, everyone. I'd like to point out a major problem in Gentoo: there's a fair number of developers who add various local workarounds to problems they meet and don't bother to report a bug. Worst than that, this applies not only for upstream problems but also to Gentoo eclass/ebuild-related