RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote: Hi! Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I have to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :)) Have you seen this?: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ Yeah thanks, i used to use this one. But (of course) it doesn't work with the web-interface, and since a few days i'm running outlook 2007, with which it - grml - doesn't work neither. Still with the real outlook i managed to at least get it to quote with ;) Cheers, Markus -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
AW: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
Hi! Just read the mail-archive and (im not at work), and felt that I have to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :)) Right now we start using Gentoo Prefix as the primary development environment at our company. For that reason I really need a quick and easy method of setting up new machines with any of the three available version combinations of windows and interix (Interix 3.5 runs on Win2K and WinXP, Interix 5.2 runs on Windows Server 2003R2 only, Interix 6.0 runs on Server 2008 and Vista). For that purpose I wrote a setup program, which is capable of installing Interix itself (also the required windows components), setting up some basic things (for example some configurations in /etc, installing openssh, etc.), and finally unpacking a binary prefix snapshot. The snapshot is basically just a tar of a freshly bootstrapped prefix (with some extras like gnome-terminal already compiled), normally rooted at /opt/gentoo. The snapshot is unpacked there, and voila setup takes about 20 minutes, and after that (if you have an X server running, like for example the open-source Xming the free one is really unperformant though ) you can start gnome-terminal to start working, yeeha! Haubi and I had the idea, that binpks would be possible too, and as a little extension, it would be really cool to have an installer like Cygwin has for example. This poses some other problems though, like runpaths etc. I think this approach is better usable for the planned win32 cross prefix this one will be really cool: cross compile windows native binaries using parity [1] into a separate prefix, which contains only binaries that can run completely without interix (theoretically ;)). [1] http://www.sf.net/projects/parity Cheers, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Fabian Groffen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mi 30.04.2008 20:40 An: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Betreff: Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft) On 30-04-2008 21:21:06 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get the primary shell/environment is available too. However, for me that doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense, so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway. I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on HPUX or AIX... There is Windows. Ok, then SFU is just your entry point to the system, like your login on AIX or HPUX. Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the forseeable future from my point of view either. Binpkgs are in the planning. In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need extra help from prefix-launcher. This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually used this OS... Well... making stages takes time, but more importantly, requires you to store them somewhere, and infra has no space for that. I do, but my internet connectivity is not sufficient for that. Besides, using Portage's binary support is more flexible, as the Prefix isn't fixed, but adjusted to your need(s). I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to extract binaries. I probably misunderstand. quickpkg creates binpkgs, doesn't it? [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/ -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list winmail.dat
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote: Hi! Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I have to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :)) Have you seen this?: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Markus lives with his wife and daughter in Graz, Austria. He seems to have many hobbies like reading fantasy novels, building remote-controlled model planes, crashing remote-controlled model planes, and last but not least, playing good old board games with his wife. Err... Markus, we are a mature audience here, so no need to call that good old board games, OK ? He shares an office at work with Michael Haubenwallner (haubi), who is strangely also a member of the Gentoo/alt project. Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Denis. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 30-04-2008 13:35:40 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Yay, at last someone in our team that has the right to feel blue :) Welcome and enjoy! -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
Le mercredi 30 avril 2008 à 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron a écrit : [snip] Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. may I use a flamethrower for that ? welcome Markus :) -- Gilles Dartiguelongue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Hope this doesn't scare away people ;o) Did you have to blazen this out? Markus lives with his wife and daughter in Graz, Austria. He seems to have many hobbies like reading fantasy novels, building remote-controlled model planes, crashing remote-controlled model planes, and last but not least, playing good old board games with his wife. Err... Markus, we are a mature audience here, so no need to call that good old board games, OK ? Hehe, i feel misunderstood ... :) He shares an office at work with Michael Haubenwallner (haubi), who is strangely also a member of the Gentoo/alt project. Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Thanks ... @Gilles' flamethrower: i don't think that i like it _that_ hot, but i haven't tried ;) Cheers, Markus Denis. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list ���^�X��� ��(��j)b�b�
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Yes, today isn't April, the first (remember geNToo). Heh - today is April, the last! Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Enjoy geVISToo ;) /haubi/ -- Michael Haubenwallner Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Lay on, mduft, And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!' Exeunt, fighting. -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo/Linux Developer (rox,gkrellm) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 11:12 -0400, Jim Ramsay wrote: Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft. Lay on, mduft, And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!' Exeunt, fighting. Nice. I wish I'd thought of that. :) -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Welcome! I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product. Something like [1], [2]. Alon. [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_on_Cygwin -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Welcome! I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product. Something like [1], [2]. Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC. Why do you want it to run on Cygwin? (Honest question...) -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer. He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that means Gentoo on Win32. Welcome! I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product. Something like [1], [2]. Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC. I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right? Why do you want it to run on Cygwin? (Honest question...) It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows platform while having Open Source license. But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows. Alon. [1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 30-04-2008 20:44:50 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product. Something like [1], [2]. Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC. I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right? Heh, yeah, sort of. See [2]. As far as I understand it, Interix/Microsoft Services for UNIX plugs directly into the POSIX whatever of Windows. What you basically get is the environment where you can run a shell, and as a sort of bonus a ksh or csh to start off. What Markus did, was to get normal Gentoo Prefix working on top of that. To give you an indication of what it looks/feels like, if you start SFU's ksh (or login through telnet -- hey it still is Windows ;) ), you can just do a configure make make install of bash-3.2 to end up with a working bash. Of course Python does NOT compile. Why do you want it to run on Cygwin? (Honest question...) It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows platform while having Open Source license. I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get the primary shell/environment is available too. However, for me that doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense, so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway. But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows. Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the forseeable future from my point of view either. Binpkgs are in the planning. In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need extra help from prefix-launcher. [1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm [2] http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463204.aspx?wt.svl=2007resources -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get the primary shell/environment is available too. However, for me that doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense, so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway. I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on HPUX or AIX... There is Windows. Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the forseeable future from my point of view either. Binpkgs are in the planning. In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need extra help from prefix-launcher. This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually used this OS... I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to extract binaries. Alon. [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/ -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
On 30-04-2008 21:21:06 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get the primary shell/environment is available too. However, for me that doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense, so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway. I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on HPUX or AIX... There is Windows. Ok, then SFU is just your entry point to the system, like your login on AIX or HPUX. Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the forseeable future from my point of view either. Binpkgs are in the planning. In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need extra help from prefix-launcher. This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually used this OS... Well... making stages takes time, but more importantly, requires you to store them somewhere, and infra has no space for that. I do, but my internet connectivity is not sufficient for that. Besides, using Portage's binary support is more flexible, as the Prefix isn't fixed, but adjusted to your need(s). I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to extract binaries. I probably misunderstand. quickpkg creates binpkgs, doesn't it? [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/ -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)
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Hi Markus,
Denis Dupeyron wrote:
| It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
| He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
| Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
| means Gentoo on Win32.
What's the attraction?
Is this something you'd want to use?
Are you just interested in the challenge?
| Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.
Let me present you with this magic wand with 50 charges of
change-blue-screen-of-death-to
red-screen-of-death. May it last a long time,
Marijn
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