Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 01:08 +0100, George Prowse wrote: from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Look at the Council logs from the CoC being approved and the ones since. We asked for real guidelines so we could specifically avoid this sort of problem from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:15:58 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this is immaterial anyway because even if it had been extensively discussed at length then the proctors would still have acted the same If that really were the case, it would just be an even stronger argument for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Richard Freeman
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Perhaps if the proctors had discussed things first, they wouldn't have made two major screwups that resulted in Gentoo losing yet another developer. Might I suggest that anybody who is waiting for one last straw go ahead and take a month or two off right now and save

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Thu, Jun 7, 2007 at 12:20:07 +0200, George Prowse wrote: [...] before trying to stop a thread descending into anarchy? I wish it was descending into anarchy. Which is a highly organized social system, and doesn't have anything to do with chaos. Anarchy is just a system where there is no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:15:58 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this is immaterial anyway because even if it had been extensively discussed at length then the proctors would still have acted the same If that really were the case, it would just be an even

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread George Prowse
Alexandre Buisse wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2007 at 12:20:07 +0200, George Prowse wrote: [...] before trying to stop a thread descending into anarchy? I wish it was descending into anarchy. Which is a highly organized social system, and doesn't have anything to do with chaos. Anarchy is just a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: snip various good infos The Code of Conduct was written with the hopes that its existence would help to curb the flamewars and other general nastiness between people within the community. The proctors were created to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
Hello Chris! I'm shortening your mail greatly and respond to only a few aspects because the two of us seem to agree on a great deal of those points you made. On Thursday, June 7, 2007 01:45:43 AM Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Proctors] Well, they've been asked to write guidelines for Council

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-07 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 18:10 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear guidelines for them. They use

[gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: [Proctor system] a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as has been suggested? Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors. I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread expose
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and what not to but due to language barriers, cultural differences etc. it's difficult to judge. The guideline, as far as I understood

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Galevsky
Hi all, I am not a dev but a Gentoo-addicted user that would be interested in getting involved. So I have no more situation awareness than the website and this ML brought to me. But I have 2 cents I want to share peacefully. First, I am wondering about the exact role of what is known to be:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: [Proctor system] a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as has been suggested? Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors. Nor do I. Every thread that has gone bad in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Richard Freeman
Galevsky wrote: But I do not understand why 7 devs -even elected by the others- could make decisions on other projects and are described as the group in charge of the 'global issues and policies'. The logic is that most organizations are overseen by a board of directors. This system is used

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 18:10 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: [Proctor system] a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as has been suggested? Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors. As much

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 19:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and what not to but due to language barriers, cultural differences etc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 19:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wulf C. Krueger wrote: I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and what not to but due to language barriers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 01:08 +0100, George Prowse wrote: from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Look at the Council logs from the CoC being approved and the ones since. We asked for real guidelines so we could specifically avoid this sort of problem from happening. -- Chris