Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert skrev: On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 20:30 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: Personally I think unless there is a real problem that needs to be resolved, moving packages around should be avoided. It's a shame we can't find a way to turn package categories into solely a presentational feature, rather than being an integral part of the package's identity as it is today. (And, at the same time, multi-depth categories would also be nice :) With the way things are today, improvements to the structure of the package tree are held back by our historical legacy. As the tree grows, it makes sense to move packages into new groups that weren't viable before - and to clear out historical dumping grounds in the process. If package categories were only something that users used to find things - and weren't used by Portage as part of a package's unique identity - then we could afford to be more flexible on this. Best regards, Stu That sounds like a cool idea, but it requires a few things. We need a way to browse the tree, that supports packages being in several categories. (Lets call them category-keywords). Having a directory structure might not be the best way, since the category-keywords will be more of a metadata thing, than a directory. I'm not sure how this could be implemented, but it sure requires a GLEP. Any suggestions on how this could be implemented? (Maybe having a SQLite database with all the meta info, to save some time syncing and space. Could with a bit of luck have all the metadata for portage, like digests etc. , but thats another idea though). Best Regards Bjarke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD+ul3O+Ewtpi9rLERAixWAKC8uMwIAcnAmxcvjkgXiia/Z3KK0ACg2Zdg GWZEqPUXAypXf43OMn2vzcs= =SXAM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:39 +0100 Bjarke Istrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Any suggestions on how this could be implemented? (Maybe having a | SQLite database with all the meta info, to save some time syncing and | space. Could with a bit of luck have all the metadata for portage, | like digests etc. , but thats another idea though). Using a database does not save space or make things faster. Nor will it make syncing any faster. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey. I was thinking, how about putting all log related packages into their own category? This should be logging daemons, log viewers, logrotate etc. Maybe creating a logging herd would be an idea to, to remove the load from the base-system herd. What do you think? Best regards GurliGebis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD+cCKO+Ewtpi9rLERAt4/AJ0ebe9R88a89NbFcIDWwAjYZmVQWACfd/fE A8oegF7aHMcVJCk1cmSrsBw= =XFwz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 02:13:46PM +0100, Bjarke Istrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking, how about putting all log related packages into their own category? This should be logging daemons, log viewers, logrotate etc. Maybe creating a logging herd would be an idea to, to remove the load from the base-system herd. What do you think? I think this is a great idea, as long as it doesnt get abused. There are quite a lot of log handling packages anyways, although would there be enough to warrant a new category as well as a new herd? My brief suggestion of packages which would be good for this: app-admin/analog app-admin/cronolog app-admin/fetchlog app-admin/klogview app-admin/logmon app-admin/logrotate app-admin/logsentry app-admin/metalog app-admin/modlogan app-admin/newsyslog app-admin/phpsyslogng app-admin/socklog app-admin/sysklogd app-admin/syslog-ng app-admin/ulog-acctd app-admin/ulogd app-misc/logserial net-firewall/fwanalog net-mail/qlogtools net-mail/qmailanalog sys-apps/gluelog sys-apps/logwatch x11-misc/paralogger Regards, John -- Role:Gentoo Linux Kernel Lead Gentoo Linux:http://www.gentoo.org Public Key: gpg --recv-keys 9C745515 Key fingerprint: A0AF F3C8 D699 A05A EC5C 24F7 95AA 241D 9C74 5515 pgp50aBPGXFyN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:13:46 +0100 Bjarke Istrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking, how about putting all log related packages into their own category? Personally I think unless there is a real problem that needs to be resolved, moving packages around should be avoided. We've been over the problems of the concept of categories many times, I don't see any value in going through it in depth again as categories are too deeply embedded to be changed. Suffice to say that any package is likely to have several reasonable categorisations, however the tree only supports one. Different people will prefer different categorisations according to each person's perspective, so moving packages to suit one perspective just messes things up for another perspective. Maybe creating a logging herd would be an idea to, to remove the load from the base-system herd. Creating a herd is not a problem; obviously herds and categories are completely different things. However a quick scan of the logging-related packages in sys-admin shows they mostly do not belong to a herd, so are not imposing any load on the base-system herd as such. Creation of a herd for these packages would be a question for the maintainers of those packages :) -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 20:30 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: Personally I think unless there is a real problem that needs to be resolved, moving packages around should be avoided. It's a shame we can't find a way to turn package categories into solely a presentational feature, rather than being an integral part of the package's identity as it is today. (And, at the same time, multi-depth categories would also be nice :) With the way things are today, improvements to the structure of the package tree are held back by our historical legacy. As the tree grows, it makes sense to move packages into new groups that weren't viable before - and to clear out historical dumping grounds in the process. If package categories were only something that users used to find things - and weren't used by Portage as part of a package's unique identity - then we could afford to be more flexible on this. Best regards, Stu -- Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://blog.stuartherbert.com/ GnuGP key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint = 31FB 50D4 1F88 E227 F319 C549 0C2F 80BA F9AF C57C -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
