Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:37 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: I think project leads could apply for exception from the council if they are more like on going maintenance (arch teams come to mind). But something like Java has had something big in works all the time I have been involved. I don't really care about the implementation that much as long as we have a page where all the current major things under work are described. I think the projects doing major things is the exception, rather than the rule. That being said, there's nothing stopping you (or anyone) from doing a page like this now, without needing to extend the projectxml, at all. All someone needs to do is create it. After all, why should we: - extend the xml - have everyone edit their own project pages - create some parser that has to troll all of the project pages to create a single page - maintain said parser when we could simply have a single page for everybody to edit with the given information? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:17 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I think Release Engineering would kill you in our off time. This has been brought up before, but some projects just don't have enough going on to update on a regular cycle. So you just change the date? I don't think we should require anything but acknowledgment that the old data still applies. So turn it into one more mundane and pointless task that I am forced to perform simply because it is a matter of policy? Having to go around saying yes, this is still correct is rather wasteful, is it not? I know I would have to do this for several projects, all of which are not the sort to really have updates to publish. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
So turn it into one more mundane and pointless task that I am forced to perform simply because it is a matter of policy? Having to go around saying yes, this is still correct is rather wasteful, is it not? I know I would have to do this for several projects, all of which are not the sort to really have updates to publish. How about sending out unobliging reminder? Might help if it's not set to remind too often. Love, H -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
Chris Gianelloni wrote: - extend the xml The difficulty is similar to creating Yet Another format for your page. - have everyone edit their own project pages It doesn't matter if you edit file A or file B, IMHO. - create some parser that has to troll all of the project pages to create a single page - maintain said parser Which essentialy is create and maintain an XSLT sheet and the difficulty is similar, again. when we could simply have a single page for everybody to edit with the given information? Because it's reasonable to think that related information should be kept together. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:17 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I think Release Engineering would kill you in our off time. This has been brought up before, but some projects just don't have enough going on to update on a regular cycle. So you just change the date? I don't think we should require anything but acknowledgment that the old data still applies. So turn it into one more mundane and pointless task that I am forced to perform simply because it is a matter of policy? Having to go around saying yes, this is still correct is rather wasteful, is it not? I know I would have to do this for several projects, all of which are not the sort to really have updates to publish. Seems like a reasonable idea. So many of our webpages are out of date that asking people to check any pages they maintain (where's our metadata.xml?) whether they're still current once in a while might work. Adding extra busywork to this by documenting it may not be worthwhile. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? Regards, Petteri -- Gentoo/Java project lead Gentoo/Recruiters project lead signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
Petteri Räty wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? Regards, Petteri -- Gentoo/Java project lead Gentoo/Recruiters project lead what do you mean by project xml? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I'd rather not put this stipulation into place. Unless you are proposing that planet.gentoo.org die. Which I don't think you are doing.. -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I think Release Engineering would kill you in our off time. This has been brought up before, but some projects just don't have enough going on to update on a regular cycle. So you just change the date? I don't think we should require anything but acknowledgment that the old data still applies. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 11:34:25PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I'd probably just cron my updates personally :) Alpha and IA64 would both read More keywording stuff done, yawn every month. Python, apache and mozilla would read something like fixed random bugs. Most other projects I'm involved in would be very much like that I think. The only projects that I'm a member of that it would be interesting to hear from imo is devrel and council and they already give status updates whenever something interesting or important happens. Please note that I'm not against these status updates at all. I just don't think forcing a pre-determined schedule makes much sense. Regards, Bryan Øtergaard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Tuesday 10 April 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. mmm good ... Then we require this file to be updated monthly. ... not so good -mike pgpz8Qu87JVkL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
Bryan Østergaard kirjoitti: On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 11:34:25PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I'd probably just cron my updates personally :) Alpha and IA64 would both read More keywording stuff done, yawn every month. Python, apache and mozilla would read something like fixed random bugs. Most other projects I'm involved in would be very much like that I think. I think project leads could apply for exception from the council if they are more like on going maintenance (arch teams come to mind). But something like Java has had something big in works all the time I have been involved. I don't really care about the implementation that much as long as we have a page where all the current major things under work are described. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:34:25 +0300 Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? Assuming we'd go with this, what would happen if a project doesn't update it's file? Realistic answer: nothing. So any such requirement is just a recommendation anyway. Besides there already is the task tag that can be used for that (though the layout is extremely crappy). Counter proposal: Extend planet.g.o with project feeds, e.g. planet.g.o/projects/foo collecting news from all members of project foo (identified by category or so). That's where most people are posting/looking for news anyway these days. Marius -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:34:25 +0300 Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the recent thread showed there is a lot going on in Gentoo land although it doesn't always seem so. I propose we extend project xml to describe current stuff going on in the project in question and their estimated completion date. Then we require this file to be updated monthly. What do you think? I'm going to echo Mike here -- the additions are good, the forced update schedule not so good. However, there's something in the subject line not in the body which I also like: and collect them as Gentoo current goals I wouldn't have chosen those words, but a list somewhere of all the new, shiny and/or important stuff people are working on could be nice if it can be done well. The GWN's future zone was a step in this direction but seems to have died off lately and never really (IMO) got enough material to realise the potential. Of course, this relies upon people in Gentoo actually doing new, shiny and/or important things first, before telling people about them. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
