Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Matti Bickel
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supporting this would be a huge policy violation, and not so merely as a technicality. How's that? I agree that this timely response clause will mean ion-3 will never go stable. That's the only thing i could envision to be a policy violation. I suggest

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 13 May 2007 09:57:05 +0200 Matti Bickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supporting this would be a huge policy violation, and not so merely as a technicality. How's that? I agree that this timely response clause will mean ion-3 will never go

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On Sunday, May 13, 2007 09:57:05 AM Matti Bickel wrote: If the general feeling is that ion is unacceptable in the tree, i'll mask it pending removal. Having read the threads you referenced, I don't think there's much room for a compromise. In the conversation with you, Matti, he argues that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Ulrich Mueller
Maybe the following are also interesting in this context: Debian: http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/renaming-of-ion3 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=69522 Archlinux: http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html I wonder if a package should be kept whose

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Matti Bickel
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matti Bickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How's that? I agree that this timely response clause will mean ion-3 will never go stable. That's the only thing i could envision to be a policy violation. Right, and packages that aren't aiming for stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Matti Bickel
Wulf C. Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the conversation with you, Matti, he argues that elog is not prominent enough, users don't read USE flag descriptions, etc. So those issues seem unresolved. Well, this arguments are nothing new, just read this ml.. However, i don't think think his

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 13 May 2007 10:34:42 +0200 Matti Bickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he doesn't want to hinder distributions, get him to fix his licence. The way it is now makes it impossible for distributions to do their job. We all agree it's retarded. However, i can't change the way it is.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Jakub Moc
Ulrich Mueller napsal(a): Maybe the following are also interesting in this context: Debian: http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/renaming-of-ion3 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=69522 Archlinux: http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html I wonder

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Rob C
On 13/05/07, Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ulrich Mueller napsal(a): Maybe the following are also interesting in this context: Debian: http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/renaming-of-ion3 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=69522 Archlinux:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Rémi Cardona
Rob C a écrit : Just my 0.02 chf +0.02eur from me too. This is going waaay beyond the FireFox/IceWeasle trademark issue. Even closed source apps are less painful license-wise. I'd advise all ion3 users from Gentoo (and maybe other distros) to get together and fork it (à la dhcpcd), doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jan Kundrát wrote: Matti Bickel wrote: It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28 days. Another point is the no patches clause,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 12 May 2007, Matti Bickel wrote: recently, there's been some worries about the changes and new requirements the ion upstream, tuomov, put forth in a new LICENSE for ion-3. It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly

[gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Matti Bickel
Hi, recently, there's been some worries about the changes and new requirements the ion upstream, tuomov, put forth in a new LICENSE for ion-3. It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Peter Gordon
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 00:41 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Well, one could ask why we should provide ebuild for stuff that has apparently insane upstream, instead of just dropping such junk until the upstream guy realizes that the world doesn't spin around him. But if we did this, we'd have no

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Jakub Moc
Jan Kundrát napsal(a): Matti Bickel wrote: It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28 days. Another point is the no patches clause, which prohibits distributions from carrying a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Matti Bickel wrote: It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28 days. Another point is the no patches clause, which prohibits distributions from carrying a significantly modified ion-3

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jan Kundrát wrote: Matti Bickel wrote: It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the previous had within 28 days. Another point is the no patches clause, which prohibits distributions from carrying a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Jakub Moc
Peter Gordon napsal(a): On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 00:41 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Well, one could ask why we should provide ebuild for stuff that has apparently insane upstream, instead of just dropping such junk until the upstream guy realizes that the world doesn't spin around him. But if we

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 13 May 2007 00:13:57 +0200 Matti Bickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recently, there's been some worries about the changes and new requirements the ion upstream, tuomov, put forth in a new LICENSE for ion-3. It's main additions are a timely response clause, which requires us to get the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 12 May 2007 18:22:41 -0700 Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we not simply rename it, as has been suggested many times thus far? Then we could mask ion3 and let people know why and what it was renamed to, et al. Presumably this would require maintaining updated documentation,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Josh Saddler
Peter Gordon wrote: On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 01:19 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Supporting this would be a huge policy violation, and not so merely as a technicality. I suggest simply removing ion support from the main tree, and sticking it in an overlay that comes with a big warning telling