Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:29:17 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/06/14 07:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items were ever designed for simplistic things like this. As in, GLEP 42 Critical News Item != Learning

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it *is* a simple matter of running one easy command. Portage does that for you with trivial ease. But portage doesn't tell you *which* is the one easy command. A news item does that. That is the real challenge

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:29:17 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/06/14 07:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items were ever designed for simplistic things like this. As in, GLEP 42 Critical News Item != Learning

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/06/2014 06:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: As in, don't you think I've considered, as a active GLEP 42 user, if there was a need for one this time? I weighted my options for 3 months before acting, and people actually agreed with me it wasn't necessary at this time. I'm really suprised about

[gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in order to silence the loud minority, please review the news item. Thanks! - Samuli Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support Author: Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/06/14 18:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in order to silence the loud minority, please review the news item. Thanks! - Samuli Added a line, exception for systemd users Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 18:43 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in order to silence the loud minority, please review the news item. Thanks! - Samuli I appreciate your work on this - and you may call them the loud

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:53:26 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:42#News_Item_Headers You're going to hate me for mentioning this, but that is one character too much; 45 44 characters. Besides

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/06/14 19:26, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:53:26 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Title: UPower discontinued hibernate/suspend support https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:42#News_Item_Headers You're going to hate me for mentioning this, but that is one

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/06/14 18:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: I find this useless at this time because the work is in-progress, but in order to silence the loud minority, please review the news item. Thanks! - Samuli Will commit this tonight, unless someone has more - Samuli Title: UPower loses hibernate

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Peter Stuge
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of your time Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time. I don't think that's awesome. //Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/06/14 21:58, Peter Stuge wrote: Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of your time Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time. I don't think that's awesome. //Peter I still don't understand how the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/06/2014 21:50, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 03/06/14 21:58, Peter Stuge wrote: Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Instead of belittling the users because they are wasting so much of your time Causing a rougher transition than neccessary is a waste of users' time. I don't think that's awesome.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful +1 It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of bikeshedding and other ways some individuals would label this; but it will be useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful +1 It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of bikeshedding and other ways some

[OT] Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 00:49:48 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. It really comes down to a judgement call whether to compose a news item or not. True, it is not always easy; although some of us want or try to figure this out in advance, even predictions won't help to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 04/06/14 01:49, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful +1 It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 04/06/14 07:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items were ever designed for simplistic things like this. As in, GLEP 42 Critical News Item != Learning tool for understanding Portage output