Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-27 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/27 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org: On 06/24/2011 12:52 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: 2011/6/24 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org: On 06/22/2011 11:15 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Symlinks are clean, and portage has always been file-oriented so I see no problem with using them

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-27 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/27/2011 07:23 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: I still don't understand why A) you need to build a project, a glep, whatever the course of action is, I am bad at bureaucracy. B) you need to code the solution, to fix What? Some people requested a tags feature. I'm not sure if fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-26 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/24/2011 12:52 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: 2011/6/24 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org: On 06/22/2011 11:15 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Symlinks are clean, and portage has always been file-oriented so I see no problem with using them for this. All we need is to deference

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Tuesday 21 of June 2011 16:24:07 Michał Górny wrote: Hello, As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown very large and it may be a good idea to split it. Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, sound systems and a lot of other utilities

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Friday 24 of June 2011 09:55:19 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:52:03 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: You might not like it, but Gentoo categories have always been directories, not words into metadata.xml. So tags are in some way

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Kent Fredric
On 25 June 2011 23:55, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the best approach is to forget about categories and: - make package names unique identifiers (it's not that hard, renaming stuff in app-xemacs mostly) - categories would serve no purpose as id anymore (though may need to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:55:40 +0200 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 24 of June 2011 09:55:19 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:52:03 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: You might not like it, but Gentoo categories have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:22:39 +1200 Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we need a new way to apply metadata to a whole host of packages? Also, categories have extra use for simple convenience of their native groupings, ie: I've been known to set USE flags/KEYWORDS that apply to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-25 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 08:22, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: I think something else that may be important to consider if one is eliminating category directories is how we'll replace the utility currently provided by category/metadata.xml Some things are simply grossly impractical

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-24 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/24 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org: On 06/22/2011 11:15 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Symlinks are clean, and portage has always been file-oriented so I see no problem with using them for this. All we need is to deference the symlink to find the real name of the package and put it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:52:03 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: You might not like it, but Gentoo categories have always been directories, not words into metadata.xml. So tags are in some way related to categories then? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-24 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/24 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:52:03 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: You might not like it, but Gentoo categories have always been directories, not words into metadata.xml. So tags are in some way

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-23 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/23 Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com: On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: In order for this metadata to be of any use to a user, it would need to have some way to facilitate its use, whether it be a fake generated directory of symlinks, or a dedicated program (

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-23 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/22/2011 11:15 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Symlinks are clean, and portage has always been file-oriented so I see no problem with using them for this. All we need is to deference the symlink to find the real name of the package and put it in world instead of the symlinked name,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:24:07 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown very large and it may be a good idea to split it. Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, sound systems and a lot

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Kent Fredric
On 22 June 2011 21:38, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: Whatever happened to implementing tags for the Portage tree? The idea behind tags was to avoid spamming users with more and more directories, especially for apps that are hard to categorize. Which, Agreed. From the perspective

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/22/2011 02:38 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote: Whatever happened to implementing tags for the Portage tree? The idea behind tags was to avoid spamming users with more and more directories, especially for apps that are hard to categorize. Which, arguably, is most of them. We have tags for weblog

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Kent Fredric
On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: It could be implemented with a metadata.xml extension, or possibly an new ebuild variable. A GLEP would be a good way to propose such an extension. I'd myself see metadata.xml or ebuild variables, on their own, less than useful. For

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/22/2011 04:58 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: It could be implemented with a metadata.xml extension, or possibly an new ebuild variable. A GLEP would be a good way to propose such an extension. I'd myself see metadata.xml or ebuild

[gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-21 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown very large and it may be a good idea to split it. Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, sound systems and a lot of other utilities related to sound. Splitting that up would make looking up

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-21 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/21 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org: Hello, As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown very large and it may be a good idea to split it. Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, sound systems and a lot of other utilities related to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-21 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:40:59 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: Then move fonts elsewhere or just leave them as they are. x11-fonts? :P -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-21 Thread Steve Dibb
On 06/21/2011 08:40 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: 2011/6/21 Michał Górnymgo...@gentoo.org: Hello, As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown very large and it may be a good idea to split it. Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, sound

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-21 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:21:44 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:40:59 +0200 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com wrote: Then move fonts elsewhere or just leave them as they are. x11-fonts? :P Why? Fonts may not be related to X or