Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-11 Thread Peter Alfredsen
This outcome was just super. Systemd was bumped to -188 today. Udev is still at -187. Instead of actually listening to upstream[1], which would be easy with a virtual, we're now stuck with one part of the duo being at one version and the other part of the duo another. And when I login to X with

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:11:18 +0200 Peter Alfredsen peter.alfred...@gmail.com wrote: This outcome was just super. Systemd was bumped to -188 today. Udev is still at -187. Instead of actually listening to upstream[1], which would be easy with a virtual, we're now stuck with one part of the duo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-11 Thread Peter Alfredsen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:11:18 +0200 Peter Alfredsen peter.alfred...@gmail.com wrote: This outcome was just super. Systemd was bumped to -188 today. Udev is still at -187. Instead of actually listening to upstream[1], which

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-10 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:24:27 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:24:27 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-10 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:33:10 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:24:27 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-08-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:33:10 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:24:27 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Alfredsen
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:27:41 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: Personally, I think a consolidated systemd/udev package is the best way to go here. A consolidated package means that: - every change made by

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Peter Alfredsen peter.alfred...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:27:41 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: Personally, I think a consolidated systemd/udev package is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-12 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 11/07/2012 22:33, Mike Gilbert ha scritto: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM, William Hubbswilli...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 03:27:41PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: Just to put a number to this, there are currently 126 packages in the tree with a dependency on sys-fs/udev.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:51:50 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/10/2012 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: An alternative would be to provide separate virtual/libudev and virtual/libgudev; and maybe changing ebuilds not to depend on [hwids] but rather pull in sys-apps/hwids directly (since that's what the flag does). USE=hwdb should be reviewed: udev-180

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 07/10/2012 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev which would pull in either of those

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il 11/07/2012 10:03, Samuli Suominen ha scritto: so knowing all that, I would simply kill USE=hwdb and always pull in the package, as it used to be for avoiding pulling in the actual pciutils/usbutils with their dependencies, but is not worth for the separate hwids package anymore Sounds

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:31:03 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/10/2012 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:23:39 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:35:32 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:23:39 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As discussed on IRC, there is still no consensus for installing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:23:39 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 03:27:41PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: Just to put a number to this, there are currently 126 packages in the tree with a dependency on sys-fs/udev. Personally, I think a consolidated systemd/udev package is the best way to go here. Short of that, the virtual + blockers

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 03:27:41PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: Just to put a number to this, there are currently 126 packages in the tree with a dependency on sys-fs/udev. Personally, I think a consolidated systemd/udev

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 04:33:44PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Thinking on this, I agree with Mike here, and to make it easier for maintainers so they don't have to change their dependencies, it should be a udev ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:27:41 -0400 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: Personally, I think a consolidated systemd/udev package is the best way to go here. A consolidated package means that: - every change made by udev developers would have to be reviewed by systemd team to make sure it

[gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev which would pull in either of those two. There are three USE flags used in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, and the third was unconditional. since udev-171 seems to be going stable, why not simply drop the 'extras' compatibility ? then you could just use 'gudev?'

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:54:31 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, and the third was unconditional. since udev-171 seems to be going stable,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:54:31 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:18:00 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The former two were previously provided by 'extras' USE flag, and the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev which would pull in either of those two. There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 05:18:00PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev which would

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for