Michael Orlitzky posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:44:36 -0500 as excerpted:
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote:
So yes, a news item is reasonable as it's arguably part of that good
documentation. But in general, there's something wrong if we're
unduly worrying about loss of functionality
Duncan schrieb:
However, hasn't it always been gentoo policy to *STRONGLY* encourage
users to run emerge --pretend/--ask and EXAMINE THE RESULTS for anything
unexpected, and resolve it in one way or another to expected, before
going ahead?
Thus, anyone suddenly losing their openldap
On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap .
Does nothing in this case.
Actually, I have a bug open at this very moment about a new ambiguous USE
flag, USE=fma, in the new sci-libs/fftw-3.3.3 ebuild. My bdver1 has
fma4, but not fma3. Does
On 02/12/2012 08:02, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I think you have Stockholm syndrome. I've updated thousands of packages
this month. I cannot do this for each one, and even if I could, there's
a huge (unnecessary) opportunity cost to doing so.
Sorry but there is no way you could have updated
On 12/02/2012 11:19 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 02/12/2012 08:02, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I think you have Stockholm syndrome. I've updated thousands of packages
this month. I cannot do this for each one, and even if I could, there's
a huge (unnecessary) opportunity cost to doing so.
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On 01/12/12 11:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
$ cat /usr/portage/net-nds/openldap/metadata.xml
euse -i 'minimal' |grep openldap
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Alec Warner wrote:
Testing all the updates is basically not possible. Understanding
the updates is basically not possible.
I think it's very possible to understand updates which are important
for the system.
Of course it is a lot of work if it is to be done every day. I would
not update
El dom, 02-12-2012 a las 11:54 -0500, Michael Orlitzky escribió:
[...]
The USE=server solution is fine with me; the whole openldap thing was
really tangential to the point I was trying to make. And for some reason
it's not as fun to argue in the morning as it is at 2am, so thanks for
working
Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:02:09 -0500 as excerpted:
On 12/02/2012 04:40 AM, Duncan wrote:
As others have mentioned, equery u[ses] openldap .
Does nothing in this case.
It gives the global description, which as I said elsewhere, for a flag
that's as critical as
Lots of people wrote:
Various good points.
Keep in mind that Gentoo users, even sysadmins, aren't expected to
read -dev. That means that when things like profile changes happen
they have no idea why, or what the impact will be.
That's why we have news. It seems like we put out all of about 3
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as
excerpted:
If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news
item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their
openldap server.
I wouldn't object to a news item. More information
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote:
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as
excerpted:
If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news
item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their
openldap server.
I wouldn't
On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole
office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't
have an LDAP server. For even a small business, that could mean
thousands of dollars.
Ha ha, you
On 12/01/2012 10:50 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/12/2012 19:44, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
Someone's going to reboot three months after this change and their whole
office is going to be down while they try to figure out why they don't
have an LDAP server. For even a small business, that
On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody
has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially
when you're managing multiple machines.
In this case, USE=-minimal is really USE=make_it_work_at_all, for
On 12/1/2012 22:21, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
If anything, what you just say would call for making openldap follow the
39 packages already out there using IUSE=+server, so that there is no
doubt that changing the default on desktop profile from USE=-minimal to
USE=-server means that _you're
On 12/01/2012 11:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody
has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially
when you're managing multiple machines.
In this case,
On 01/12/2012 20:50, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
And most people don't even know that metadata.xml exists.
But I do expect them to know `equery uses` like Dustin said. The fact
that some flags are not clearly described in metadata.xml is another
problem.
In my previous message, I said, but you
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your
stuff broken attitude.
Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very
different things.
In Gentoo stuff changes every single day. I heard that gentoo-x86
gets some number of commits per
Peter Stuge wrote:
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your
stuff broken attitude.
Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very
different things.
In Gentoo stuff changes every single day. I heard that gentoo-x86
gets some
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/01/2012 09:48 PM, Duncan wrote:
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:28:26 +0100 as
excerpted:
If this change is applied anyway, I suggest to at least produce a news
item in order to not surprise users about the sudden loss of their
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
I just get annoyed with the don't use Gentoo unless you like your
stuff broken attitude.
Don't confuse stuff changing with stuff breaking - they are very
different things.
In Gentoo stuff changes
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