Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-07, o godz. 21:02:30 Peter Stuge napisał(a): > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > Besides, who does an emerge -u world without first checking to see > > > what will be updated? > > > > Some people do > > They deserve a broken system. Please keep your comments to yourself and do not add them

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 21:01:06 +0200 Peter Stuge wrote: > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Some people do, but that's not what this is about. > > They deserve a broken system. Some people do, but that's not what this is about. > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > what if hell breaks loose next time? > > We fix it. Fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Stuge
Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Besides, who does an emerge -u world without first checking to see > > what will be updated? > > Some people do They deserve a broken system. //Peter pgp8bIGEpU77h.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Stuge
Tom Wijsman wrote: > what if hell breaks loose next time? We fix it. //Peter pgpoxOD8NPi7O.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:55:05 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > We're basically on the same page, so I won't respond to most of your > email. Same. > I have to say that QA on Gentoo is FAR better than it ever has been in > the past. It is definitely very good; the only thing that currently bothers me,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > It's at the maintainer's decision to go ahead or not; there's nobody > going to stop the maintainer from adding it to ~. But there are people > that going to complain (users), take action (QA), ... when hell does > break loose because of careles

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:00:51 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:28:59 -0500 > > William Hubbs wrote: > > > >> Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and > >> at least one user, using OpenRc from git with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:28:59 -0500 > William Hubbs wrote: > >> Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at >> least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I >> know there shouldn't be any breakage.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:28:59 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at > least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I > know there shouldn't be any breakage. A few team developers is not a large enough test base for a

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:57:20 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: >> Running the ~arch release version, OTOH, doesn't appear to >> significantly reduce the incidence of bugs compared to live-git, but >> there's a much bigger pile of cha

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
Sven Vermeulen posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 18:51:02 + as excerpted: > On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: >> I run openrc- because I guess my configuration's unusual enough to >> trigger bugs once in awhile, and from experience once I do, it's a lot >> easier to track 'e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > Ok all, I would like to appologise for the harsh wording. Your wording wasn't harsh - it just wasn't ideal. If only imperfect marketing was our worst problem around here... Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: > I run openrc- because I guess my configuration's unusual enough to > trigger bugs once in awhile, and from experience once I do, it's a lot > easier to track 'em down if I've only a couple commits to check since my > last update. Plu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +, Duncan wrote: > Running the ~arch release version, OTOH, doesn't appear to significantly > reduce the incidence of bugs compared to live-git, but there's a much > bigger pile of changes in a release, and far less information about what > they actually ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:28:59 -0500 as excerpted: > Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at > least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I > know there shouldn't be any breakage. The other day in the process of filing a ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2013.08.03 16:28, William Hubbs wrote: [snip] > > Ok all, I would like to appologise for the harsh wording. > > Markos, to answer your question, there are folks on the team, and at > least one user, using OpenRc from git without issues, so as far as I > know there shouldn't be any breakage. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 01:03:58PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the porta

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/08/2013 13:43, Rich Freeman wrote: [snip] > I think the only real issue is the wording here. [snip] Agreed. Reading William's post, he's really just expressed in his own words what ~arch is all about: we accept the possibility of breakage. Everything after the first two sentences is red

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: >> On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: >> > I do not know of any breakage personally. It does work on my system, and >> > I know of others who are using OpenRc from git successful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Douglas Freed
On Aug 3, 2013 6:04 AM, "Markos Chandras" wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Markos Chandras
On Aug 3, 2013 10:06 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote: > > On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in the next few days. > > > > If you are using ~arch OpenRc, the standard

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] OpenRc-0.12 is coming soon

2013-08-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:36 Fri 02 Aug , William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > This message is an announcement and a reminder. > > OpenRc-0.12 will be introduced to the portage tree in the next few days. > > If you are using ~arch OpenRc, the standard disclaimer applies: remember > that you might be subject to break