Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
Denis Dupeyron wrote: probably belongs in -project. Not even in -project, it simply wasn't public mailing-list material. For those who haven't understood yet, the -dev and -project mailing lists are not for keeping us informed of your random thought of the day or lamenting about why-oh-why-is-the-whole-world-so-unfair-to-me-when-I'm-being-so-nice-to-everybody-no-kidding. Keep tweeting it though. Denis. Stuff sent to gentoo-dev-announce should only go to a single mailing list besides the -announce-list. As long as we have -council that should be used in my opinion. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
Thomas Anderson wrote: Tiziano Muller(dev-zero) banned igli from #-council for what he called repeated trolling after private warnings. This is inaccurate, and to be frank, a lie. dev-zero was placed on /ignore by me a couple of weeks previously after unwelcome /msg'ing wrt dev ML, that he was told was unwelcome, which he refused to respect. That was the ONLY private discussion we had and had nothing to do with #-council. Furthermore, he only banned me 8 hours after I had left the channel. Additionally, his user-rel issue was only raised AFTER I had raised the above in #-devrel, a process he chose to ignore until raising in userrel a couple of hours later, and then later trying to turn #-council into #-userrel, pretending the devrel issue had never occurred. (In the interests of accuracy I should point out it was +q not +b.) If I thought you had both time and inclination to actually reign your developers in when they step out of line, I'd file a devrel bug against him. As it is, I don't have the time to be insulted on bugzilla as well as online, and am just glad there is an election on; none of the user-rel people I spoke to afterwards knew anything about raising it with you for review; they only asked for the ban to be rescinded, which it was. I'd like to ask prospective Council members to answer the question I posted in my last mail to -project (which I assume you guys read. If not, I suggest new members consider keeping up to date with it, since many externals find dev to be beyond the pale. It's not just your developers who get put off by the nonsense.) What you put in your summary concerns me an awful lot less than the constant kowtowing to a supposed authority figure who on inspection is just another student, making all the classic student mistakes. It's not like others haven't pointed this out to you over and over; maybe you should start to consider it for a change? OK, put it this way: how offended do you think dev-zero would have felt if I had spoken to him in the way ciaranm addressed trelane in #-council over the last week or two? Or I'm sure anyone can find PLENTY of examples from this ML. Odd that CoC doesn't apply, but others are held up to a much higher standard and indeed treated most unfairly by people in positions of authority abusing that position for partisan aims. And sorry, tanderson, but consider my words of support for your campaign rescinded after the concerted nature of your part in the politicking. You clearly have a year or two more of growing-up to do, minimum, AFAIC. Lovey-dovey words about all getting along and documentation, are not sufficient to hold up to the rigours of the process you wish to lead. I'll chalk it up to inexperience on your part, as I know your heart is in the right place. If I'm wrong, feel free to flame me and I'll revise my opinion. Nice summaries though. /me looks forward to seeing gentoofan on the Council in a week or three and even more to quoting ciara at dev-zero. (It's OK, it's a joke.) -- #friendly-coders -- We're friendly but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
[...] This list is for technical discussions only. Also, public mailing-lists are not for discussing your personal issues. Denis.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
Steven J Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk posted 1354782.qazs4eu...@news.friendly-coders.info, excerpted below, on Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:52:18 +0100: Thomas Anderson wrote: Tiziano Muller(dev-zero) banned igli from #-council for what he called repeated trolling after private warnings. This is inaccurate, and to be frank, a lie. dev-zero was placed on /ignore Furthermore, he only banned me 8 hours after I had left the channel. (It's OK, it's a joke.) Wow, joke or not, this is the kind of thing that makes me glad I don't do IRC. There's enough of it here, where people get to think about what they write before they post (whether they actually /do/ or not...). I don't need more of that sort of stuff in my life. I wasn't there and don't know, and don't care to know, the details. And my life remains much simpler and happier for that. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Duncan1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Wow, joke or not, this is the kind of thing that makes me glad I don't do IRC. There's enough of it here, where people get to think about what they write before they post (whether they actually /do/ or not...). I don't need more of that sort of stuff in my life. I wasn't there and don't know, and don't care to know, the details. And my life remains much simpler and happier for that. =:^) Denis already pointed out that this is not the place for discussions like this, even more so since your reply is doubly-offtopic. Please, do not waste everyone's time and bandwidth with thoughts that do not belong on this list, and hence they do not care about. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Please, do not waste everyone's time and bandwidth with thoughts that do not belong on this list, and hence they do not care about. Let's be nice. Somehow I don't think Duncan's goal was to get the mailing lists to be as flame-filled as he perceives IRC to be... :) Agreed that just about everything but the original council summary in this thread (and I mean the first original one) probably belongs in -project.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009
probably belongs in -project. Not even in -project, it simply wasn't public mailing-list material. For those who haven't understood yet, the -dev and -project mailing lists are not for keeping us informed of your random thought of the day or lamenting about why-oh-why-is-the-whole-world-so-unfair-to-me-when-I'm-being-so-nice-to-everybody-no-kidding. Keep tweeting it though. Denis.
