Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: No sir, I was not telling a half-truth. If the default configuration is stored in /lib/udev/rules.d for example, and you can override that default by dropping files of the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I don't see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 02/03/14 19:51, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 05:49:59PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Sure at some point you have to make things evolve but this upstream solution simply isn't nice for its users. That may be, but I don't think it's a distribution's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: No sir, I was not telling a half-truth. If the default configuration is stored in /lib/udev/rules.d for example, and you can override that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: Many of the config files are large, and splitting them into segments makes it easier to read. Ah, no, impedance mismatch. Split configs are easy-- /etc/env.d/ took something like two minutes to grasp years ago. To clarify,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com wrote: If the _only_ way to get the config for something is ever to run a specific command specifically tailored for that purpose, then it's evidence of a truly shocking and advanced sadism (not to mention a complete and utter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-03 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/03/14 23:13, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Wyatt Epp wyatt@gmail.com wrote: If the _only_ way to get the config for something is ever to run a specific command specifically tailored for that purpose, then it's evidence of a truly shocking and advanced sadism

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-02 Thread Peter Stuge
Everyone on this list really except perhaps Duncan really needs to learn to trim quotess. Kthx. Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Sure at some point you have to make things evolve but this upstream solution simply isn't nice for its users. That may be, but I don't think it's a distribution's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-02 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 05:49:59PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Sure at some point you have to make things evolve but this upstream solution simply isn't nice for its users. That may be, but I don't think it's a distribution's responsibility to try to own that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: gconf, dconf, polkit, dbus, all do stuff like this. I actually find the solution somewhat elegant from my side as a sysadmin. I think the right approach depends on the degree to which the file requires tweaking. For 99% of

[gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-01 Thread Duncan
Steven J. Long posted on Sat, 01 Mar 2014 06:48:54 + as excerpted: I for one prefer a distro to do a bit of work and make my life easier, since it makes life easier for everyone who uses the distro. Why the hell should I care if some bindist can't etc-update? WTF does that have to do with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-01 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 06:48:54AM +, Steven J. Long wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote: But let's be real here: if I install something and want to configure its system-wide bits, the first

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-01 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 01 mars 2014 à 10:06 -0600, William Hubbs a écrit : On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 06:48:54AM +, Steven J. Long wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote: But let's be real here: if I install

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 06:48:54AM +, Steven J. Long wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote: But let's be real here: if I

[gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-02-28 Thread Steven J. Long
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 07:20:24AM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: If only Portage had supported checking if files from /usr were used by files installed to / Hard to create check for every case, but something like libraries and NEEDED entries (bug 443590) would have been a start But there

[gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-02-28 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote: But let's be real here: if I install something and want to configure its system-wide bits, the first place I go is ALWAYS /etc. When I don't find it there, with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-02-28 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 01/03/14 08:40, Steven J. Long wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 07:20:24AM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: If only Portage had supported checking if files from /usr were used by files installed to / Hard to create check for every case, but something like libraries and NEEDED entries (bug