Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: The future of the Sunrise project)
On 06/13/2016 10:59 AM, Duncan wrote: > M. J. Everitt posted on Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:13 +0100 as excerpted: > >> On 13/06/16 09:04, Alexander Berntsen wrote: >>> On 11/06/16 09:00, Michał Górny wrote: If you are not going to maintain your contribution, we can't guarantee it will be accepted. I'm certainly not interested in having to worry about 20 more maintainer-needed packages next month because someone contributed an ebuild that seemed good enough. >>> This is a good point. Contributions that no devs are willing to >>> maintain would not make it into the curated and reviewed repositories I >>> am referring to. >>> >>> As an aside, perhaps we should start featuring third-party overlays >>> more prominently, as this is where these ebuilds belong. >> >> Excuse me .. and this thread emerged from deprecating the EXACT thing >> you are suggesting!? > > Hardly. There are many project, developer and advanced user overlays, > many of which are available via layman, while others may only be on github > or elsewhere. The one deprecated and under discussion for removal in > this thread is sunrise, which was a great idea in its time but has now > been left behind by further developments, including more individual > overlays in layman, and the continued rise in popularity of github. In > fact, the effect has been so large that sunrise has effectively > stagnated, and nobody noticed it for months. Now that people have > noticed it, they/we are simply recognizing the change in usage after-the- > fact and debating the most useful way to shut down just the one single > overlay, because others have succeeded so well that there's little need > for the special incubator role sunrise once played any longer. > +1 Bam, nailed it. -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: The future of the Sunrise project)
M. J. Everitt posted on Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:09:13 +0100 as excerpted: > On 13/06/16 09:04, Alexander Berntsen wrote: >> On 11/06/16 09:00, Michał Górny wrote: >> > If you are not going to maintain your contribution, we can't >> > guarantee it will be accepted. I'm certainly not interested in having >> > to worry about 20 more maintainer-needed packages next month because >> > someone contributed an ebuild that seemed good enough. >> This is a good point. Contributions that no devs are willing to >> maintain would not make it into the curated and reviewed repositories I >> am referring to. >> >> As an aside, perhaps we should start featuring third-party overlays >> more prominently, as this is where these ebuilds belong. > > Excuse me .. and this thread emerged from deprecating the EXACT thing > you are suggesting!? Hardly. There are many project, developer and advanced user overlays, many of which are available via layman, while others may only be on github or elsewhere. The one deprecated and under discussion for removal in this thread is sunrise, which was a great idea in its time but has now been left behind by further developments, including more individual overlays in layman, and the continued rise in popularity of github. In fact, the effect has been so large that sunrise has effectively stagnated, and nobody noticed it for months. Now that people have noticed it, they/we are simply recognizing the change in usage after-the- fact and debating the most useful way to shut down just the one single overlay, because others have succeeded so well that there's little need for the special incubator role sunrise once played any longer. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
[gentoo-dev] Re: Facilitating user contributed ebuilds (Was: The future of the Sunrise project)
Daniel Campbell posted on Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:03:51 -0700 as excerpted: > I'm not sure what the problem with IRC is. In the context of your > quizzes, it's important that the interviews take place in real-time. It > allows a quick method of communication. It's informal, aims to be > friendly and helpful, and tests your ability to find answers on your own > in a somewhat quicker fashion. Even if you, as a dev, have little > interest in IRC or helping out in the #gentoo channel, the interview > process is valuable and will help you get faster at finding answers. ... For people who work that way. Which becomes a problem for people who don't. Not speaking for James, but addressing this more general point from my own perspective... since long ago I realized IM/IRC don't present the best side of me, and attempting to use them in stressful situations such as job interviews (even for volunteer jobs such as here) isn't likely to result in anything but disaster. Which is a shame in some ways, as I've seen generations of devs come and go in my dozen years using gentoo, and I expect I'll see generations more come and go in the coming dozen, as I don't anticipate leaving gentoo behind any time soon. But I've found other ways to contribute, both to gentoo and to the larger community, and am comfortable now in the niche and role I've created for myself, so perhaps it's for the better. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
