[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-20 Thread Kerin Millar
On 20/02/2012 07:47, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 20-02-2012 03:07:33 +, Kerin Millar wrote: I know that adding LANG=POSIX doesn't do anything in this case but I have a feeling that its presence would be instructive to new users. If a user is asked to configure something which isn't present, it

[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 20-02-2012 03:07:33 +, Kerin Millar wrote: > I know that adding LANG=POSIX doesn't do anything in this case but I > have a feeling that its presence would be instructive to new users. If a > user is asked to configure something which isn't present, it often > generates questions which mig

[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Kerin Millar
On 20/02/2012 00:11, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:56:40PM +0800, Ben wrote: On 19 February 2012 23:14, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben wrote: In my opinion we should set a default environment with the following values: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL= LC_COLLAT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:56:40PM +0800, Ben wrote: > On 19 February 2012 23:14, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben  wrote: > > > >> In my opinion we should set a default environment with the following > >> values: > > > >> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > >> LC_ALL= > >> LC_COLLATE=C > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben wrote: >>> In my opinion we should set a default environment with the >>> following values: >> >>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 >>> LC_ALL= >>> LC_COLLATE=C >> >>> This offers the best default options to the majority of users, and >>> is easy to customize for those who wish t

[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Kerin Millar
On 19/02/2012 01:00, James Cloos wrote: "KM" == Kerin Millar writes: KM> Arch also used to define LC_COLLATE="C" by default, probably to KM> mitigate unpredictable behaviour in some applications, but have KM> since dropped this additional variable so they must have deemed it KM> no longer

[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Kerin Millar
On 19/02/2012 15:56, Ben wrote: On 19 February 2012 23:14, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben wrote: In my opinion we should set a default environment with the following values: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL= LC_ALL isn't needed here because, unlike other LC_* settings, it does

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Ben
On 19 February 2012 23:14, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben  wrote: > >> In my opinion we should set a default environment with the following >> values: > >> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 >> LC_ALL= >> LC_COLLATE=C > >> This offers the best default options to the majority of users, and >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Ben wrote: > In my opinion we should set a default environment with the following > values: > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LC_ALL= > LC_COLLATE=C > This offers the best default options to the majority of users, and > is easy to customize for those who wish to use another locale

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-19 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Ben's message of 2012-02-19 03:04:19 +0100: > On 19 February 2012 09:00, James Cloos wrote: > > Without LC_COLLATE="C" things like [a-z]* gets a false=positive > > match on files like Makefile. [...] > > > > The real fix is to have root be C.UTF-8.  Which differs from C only > > in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-18 Thread Ben
On 19 February 2012 09:00, James Cloos wrote: > Without LC_COLLATE="C" things like [a-z]* gets a false=positive match > on files like Makefile. [...] > > The real fix is to have root be C.UTF-8.  Which differs from C only in > that the charset is utf-8. In my opinion we should set a default envir

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-18 Thread James Cloos
> "KM" == Kerin Millar writes: KM> Arch also used to define LC_COLLATE="C" by default, probably to KM> mitigate unpredictable behaviour in some applications, but have KM> since dropped this additional variable so they must have deemed it KM> no longer necessary. Without LC_COLLATE="C" things

[gentoo-dev] Re: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 by default

2012-02-17 Thread Kerin Millar
On 15/02/2012 12:22, Mr. Aaron W. Swenson wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58:52PM +0100, Francesco R.(vivo) wrote: as subject says could gentoo change the policy and set an UTF-8 environment by default? Perhaps it should define LANG="en_US.UTF-8" as a reasonable default, which would be in l