Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Michał Górny]

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:31:20 -0400
Jacob Godserv  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 15:30, Jacob Godserv 
> wrote:
> > Last I checked, Ubuntu is going to adopt it. How's that for a
> > compliment? :) http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18452/
> 
> Sorry for the extra e-mail, but I should clarify:
> "Ubuntu is seriously considering adopting it."

No offence but '-15' doesn't sounds as serious as '344' for upstart.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Jacob Godserv]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 15:30, Jacob Godserv  wrote:
> Last I checked, Ubuntu is going to adopt it. How's that for a compliment? :)
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18452/

Sorry for the extra e-mail, but I should clarify:
"Ubuntu is seriously considering adopting it."

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Jacob Godserv]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:27, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> What other distributions (*BSD, Linux, or...) do you know that use
> openrc?  IOW, I know it was designed to be distribution independent, but I
> don't know of anyone else using it (well, other than Gentoo derivatives),
> and Gentoo certainly influenced it.

Last I checked, Ubuntu is going to adopt it. How's that for a compliment? :)
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18452/

-- 
Jacob

"For then there will be great distress, unequaled
from the beginning of the world until now — and never
to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut
short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the
elect those days will be shortened."

Are you ready?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Wulf C. Krueger]

> > Yes. Paludis is Exherbo's package manager.
> FWIW, I categorized that as "Gentoo based"... tho how much it has expanded
> beyond that by now isn't something I'd know without being told...

It has never been Gentoo-based, Duncan. You might perceive it like that 
because Gentoo has often embraced our concepts for recent EAPIs, though.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Duncan]

Wulf C. Krueger posted on Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:55:12 +0200 as excerpted:

>> And paludis and friends, while being designed for more independent use
>> (much like openrc), again, is it (are they) actually part of any non-
>> Gentoo-based distribution?
> 
> Yes. Paludis is Exherbo's package manager.

FWIW, I categorized that as "Gentoo based"... tho how much it has expanded 
beyond that by now isn't something I'd know without being told...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Wulf C. Krueger]

> And paludis and friends, while being designed for more independent use
> (much like openrc), again, is it (are they) actually part of any non-
> Gentoo-based distribution?

Yes. Paludis is Exherbo's package manager.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Richard Freeman]

On 03/28/2010 10:27 AM, Duncan wrote:

The point being, perhaps I'm wrong and openrc does have a broader
distribution basis than I'm aware of, but in practice, it seems all of
these tend to be used /almost/ exclusively with Gentoo and Gentoo based
distributions.  If openrc's usage is rather wider than I'm aware of, well
then, I'm about to learn that. =:^)



Well, I'm sure there is an openrc list somewhere that might be a better 
forum for these kinds of discussions, but I suspect that they need to 
walk before they run.  Right now openrc isn't even the stable init 
system for Gentoo.


I know that their goal was to be completely distro-neutral, and once it 
stabilizes we might see it happen.  It certainly would be very useful - 
it would standardize a ton of stuff across distros.


Rich

[gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Duncan]

Alistair Bush posted on Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:21:23 +1300 as excerpted:


>> So you mention openrc, but don't have it on the list?
>> 
>> 
> Yes because openrc isn't really gentoo-specific.   I don't want the list
> blowing out to include ever package in the entire tree.   ie. Thanking
> gcc for contributing to gentoo.
> 
> Note this doesn't mean that openrc won't be on the list.  I think that
> in this case the dev has worked closely enough with gentoo to deserve
> acknowledgment. (being a former dev might have helped that :) )
> 
> Maybe it will be in a "Non-Gentoo specific" section of the list,  or
> something. My point at the moment is to distinguish it from something
> like pkgcore/paludis which were developed with gentoo firmly as the
> target platform.

I don't disagree with your idea, and I'm not /really/ the partisan openrc 
booster this might cause me to appear to be, it's just that it and the 
portage helpers are more than likely pretty much it, and I /am/ trying to 
understand the distinction being made:

What other distributions (*BSD, Linux, or...) do you know that use 
openrc?  IOW, I know it was designed to be distribution independent, but I 
don't know of anyone else using it (well, other than Gentoo derivatives), 
and Gentoo certainly influenced it.

Meanwhile, portage, and thus the various app-portage/* tools, as 
mentioned, should be usable on many of those same Gentoo derivatives.

And paludis and friends, while being designed for more independent use 
(much like openrc), again, is it (are they) actually part of any non-
Gentoo-based distribution?

The point being, perhaps I'm wrong and openrc does have a broader 
distribution basis than I'm aware of, but in practice, it seems all of 
these tend to be used /almost/ exclusively with Gentoo and Gentoo based 
distributions.  If openrc's usage is rather wider than I'm aware of, well 
then, I'm about to learn that. =:^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Alistair Bush]

> 
> So you mention openrc, but don't have it on the list?
> 

Yes because openrc isn't really gentoo-specific.   I don't want the list 
blowing out to include ever package in the entire tree.   ie. Thanking gcc for 
contributing to gentoo.

Note this doesn't mean that openrc won't be on the list.  I think that in this 
case the dev has worked closely enough with gentoo to deserve acknowledgment. 
(being a former dev might have helped that :) ) 

Maybe it will be in a "Non-Gentoo specific" section of the list,  or something. 
  
My point at the moment is to distinguish it from something like 
pkgcore/paludis which were developed with gentoo firmly as the target platform.

> FWIW, I've not looked, but I think a number of the portage helpers are
> non-gentoo-dev developed, and certainly a number previously were, that
> have ultimately been folded back into portage and/or gentoolkit in someway
> or another now.  I'm sure someone from one of those projects can list
> several of them without even looking.

Well i'm more interested in what is being developed verses what were 
developed.  But that is an interesting possibility,  not surprising but 
interesting none the less.

[gentoo-dev] Re: List of User projects

[Duncan]

Alistair Bush posted on Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:13:14 +1300 as excerpted:

> I was just thinking how nice it could be if we acknowledged some of the
> projects that contribute to gentoo but are actually developed primarily
> outside of gentoo's dev community.  How about a page on gentoo.org
> 
> So lets me start with a couple of obvious ones.
> 
> kportagetray
> pkgcore
> paludis
> 
> 
> There must be more than these or else gentoo really is dead.
> 
> - Alistair
> 
> ps.  I would like the packages to be specifically for gentoo,  but there
> are exceptions to this.  as an example openrc (and even paludis to a
> degree).  If you think that there is a package not specifically
> targetting gentoo that deserves a mention please make it clear why.

[Hmm... Was followup not set?  It tried to post to the announce list too!  
That's a no-no for replies!  Luckily gmane has it set read-only so my news 
client gave me a warning.]

So you mention openrc, but don't have it on the list?

FWIW, I've not looked, but I think a number of the portage helpers are
non-gentoo-dev developed, and certainly a number previously were, that 
have ultimately been folded back into portage and/or gentoolkit in someway 
or another now.  I'm sure someone from one of those projects can list 
several of them without even looking.

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