Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 of December 2008 10:40:19 Alec Warner wrote: mean hat You asked, so the counter proposal is to *do nothing*. very mean generic rant hat on Ideas (even good ones) don't always get implemented. Sometimes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 of December 2008 22:51:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Experience, manpower, the ability to try out potential enhancements rapidly, a long track record of getting it right and the growing recognition that most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-02 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Tuesday 02 of December 2008 10:40:19 Alec Warner wrote: mean hat You asked, so the counter proposal is to *do nothing*. very mean generic rant hat on Ideas (even good ones) don't always get implemented. Sometimes that just isn't the direction the maintainers want to take the project.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-02 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:19:18 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, and I'm afraid I cannot provide any single evidence that users actually need features like: - per package cflags/ldflags/features - per category use flags, accept_keywords, cflags - or tag clouds instead of hard

[gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not appropriate What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. For the most part, USE=debug means enable debug code paths, which for lots of projects simply means enable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: Well, so far it's not GLEP, just an idea thrown to brainstorm. As such, neither /etc/portage/env nor eclasses can effectively deal with FEATURES in general, tho there are a few specific exceptions that do happen to be implemented at the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 09:36:12 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: - USE=debug is useless when CFLAGS/LDFLAGS or FEATURES are not appropriate What are you saying here? I'm afraid you're mistaken here. The point is to look at this from users' (well, a bit) point of view - USE=debug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 01 of December 2008 08:04:04 Duncan wrote: (Of course, if it's the latter, it will need to be an official GLEP, and you'll have three separate package managers and their developers to push the proposal thru to at least to general agreement, or the council will almost certainly

[gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-11-30 Thread Duncan
Maciej Mrozowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:16:07 +0100: Implementation: Implementation would be provided by build system eclasses [snip] - replace FEATURES with FEATURES_DEBUG FEATURES are package-manager implemented, above the bash