Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On Monday 30 October 2006 10:26, Elfyn McBratney wrote: > A single person doesn't constitute a team [1]. More than one person > does... > > [1] Unless you're SpanKY. You forget that vapier also works with SpanKY ;) -- Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo/Linux Developer (baselayout, networking) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On 29/10/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/28/06, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. It also gives users the impression that there is an entire "team" of people maintaining a package,when in fact it might be just one or two people. A single person doesn't constitute a team [1]. More than one person does... Best, Elfyn [1] Unless you're SpanKY. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On 10/28/06, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. It also gives users the impression that there is an entire "team" of people maintaining a package,when in fact it might be just one or two people. -Richard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:26, Marius Mauch wrote: So if now you're on a herd alias but not listed in herds.xml for a herd, what practical difference does it make if the herd exists or not? huh ? -mike I think one of his points is that you still get the bugmail...I guess? I'm on the python team alias but not in the herd...I don't want have people ask me to fix python stuff because I dunno how to do it ;) However I like knowing 'what is going on in python town'. Peace out homies. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:26, Marius Mauch wrote: > So if now you're on a herd alias but not listed in herds.xml for a herd, > what practical difference does it make if the herd exists or not? huh ? -mike pgpmO3uG0vGTB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:00:04 -0400
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 28 October 2006 22:43, Marius Mauch wrote:
> > Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. What
> > benefits do we actually gain by having "herds"? For the most part
> > it's just a way to associate a package with a mail alias, but for
> > that I don't really see the need for this layer of indirection. It
> > actually creates problems by itself as the herd data ("members" in
> > herds.xml) gets out of sync with the mail data (alias members),
> > then there is the (mostly historical) issue of having two copies of
> > the same file getting out of sync, the permanent confusion of
> > herds, herd maintainers and projects, and the problem just shown by
> > Alec. So are there any other benefits in having herds as opposed to
> > just adding a
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > element to metadata.xml and getting rid of the complete herds
> > concept?
>
> just because you're on the alias doesnt mean you want to be
> responsible for the packages in the herd
So if now you're on a herd alias but not listed in herds.xml for a herd,
what practical difference does it make if the herd exists or not?
Marius
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Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On Saturday 28 October 2006 22:43, Marius Mauch wrote:
> Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. What benefits
> do we actually gain by having "herds"? For the most part it's just a
> way to associate a package with a mail alias, but for that I don't
> really see the need for this layer of indirection. It actually creates
> problems by itself as the herd data ("members" in herds.xml) gets out
> of sync with the mail data (alias members), then there is the (mostly
> historical) issue of having two copies of the same file getting out of
> sync, the permanent confusion of herds, herd maintainers and projects,
> and the problem just shown by Alec.
> So are there any other benefits in having herds as opposed to just
> adding a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> element to metadata.xml and getting rid of the complete herds concept?
just because you're on the alias doesnt mean you want to be responsible for
the packages in the herd
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] The (lack of) use of herds
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:46:30 -0400
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I request that this tag be made optional in the metadata.xml DTD.
>
> While ideally it is beneficial to have every package in a herd, in
> practice this doesn't occur.
>
> 22:28 <@omp> $ herdstat -pq no-herd | wc -l
> 22:28 <@omp> 1819
> 22:28 <@omp> looks like a lot of fixing is needed :)
>
> nearly 1/5 of our tree is herdless.
>
> Is a "real herd" a real requirement of a package? I would say
> realistically no. Thus the herd tag should be optional but highly
> encouraged.
Well, I'd go further and question the whole herd concept. What benefits
do we actually gain by having "herds"? For the most part it's just a
way to associate a package with a mail alias, but for that I don't
really see the need for this layer of indirection. It actually creates
problems by itself as the herd data ("members" in herds.xml) gets out
of sync with the mail data (alias members), then there is the (mostly
historical) issue of having two copies of the same file getting out of
sync, the permanent confusion of herds, herd maintainers and projects,
and the problem just shown by Alec.
So are there any other benefits in having herds as opposed to just
adding a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
element to metadata.xml and getting rid of the complete herds concept?
Marius
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