Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: people want it and i havent seen any compelling reason to avoid it anymore, so let's rock For the record: It is now rocked. -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo Developer (rox/fluxbox/gkrellm/vim) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:53:22 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:44:32 -0400 Jim Ramsay l...@gentoo.org wrote: There is an ancient bug[1] dealing with the vim-with-x USE flag. I think it makes sense to rename this flag from 'vim-with-x' to just 'X', but thought I'd raise the issue here since this USE flag has been around since before time began. It's there because if you break your X you probably want a usable editor to help you fix it. As Duncan already mentioned, vim is not the only 'primarily console' application which can link against X libraries. Thus, if we really have to use another flag than 'X' (which idea I personally dislike), then I think it would be better to choose some more common name. Additionally, as Jim mentioned, there's still a lot of other libraries which could make vim useless. Thus, I think the best solution would be to encourage upstream (or even provide a patch if they like the idea) to support dynamic runtime linking with all optional libraries in vim. Thanks to that, vim would be able to run fine with totally broken libraries. If it would fail to 'load' them, it would just disable particular features. Additionally, user should be able then to explicitly disable loading particular libraries if they would cause segfaults or other problems afterwards. -- Best regards, Michał Górny http://mgorny.alt.pl xmpp:mgo...@jabber.ru signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
On Monday, June 07, 2010 14:44:32 Jim Ramsay wrote: There is an ancient bug[1] dealing with the vim-with-x USE flag. I think it makes sense to rename this flag from 'vim-with-x' to just 'X', but thought I'd raise the issue here since this USE flag has been around since before time began. Does anyone care? people want it and i havent seen any compelling reason to avoid it anymore, so let's rock for the really conservative people who fear a completely trashed system, they're probably forgetting about the static busybox that is on everyone's system. `busybox vi` gives you a never gonna let you down safety net. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
There is an ancient bug[1] dealing with the vim-with-x USE flag. I think it makes sense to rename this flag from 'vim-with-x' to just 'X', but thought I'd raise the issue here since this USE flag has been around since before time began. Does anyone care? References: [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/94171 -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo Developer (rox/fluxbox/gkrellm/vim) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 7.6.2010 20:44, Jim Ramsay napsal(a): There is an ancient bug[1] dealing with the vim-with-x USE flag. I think it makes sense to rename this flag from 'vim-with-x' to just 'X', but thought I'd raise the issue here since this USE flag has been around since before time began. Does anyone care? References: [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/94171 I would support having it under X useflag, when i do new installs i usually have to recompile vim because i forget to enable vim-with-x :] Cheers Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwNP6oACgkQHB6c3gNBRYd6XACgoKIa0+25wqdnvjS5RQa9gtP/ MC4AnRA60zU+0J/2pORXnM/jZ/quPAA+ =1LHm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:44:32 -0400 Jim Ramsay l...@gentoo.org wrote: There is an ancient bug[1] dealing with the vim-with-x USE flag. I think it makes sense to rename this flag from 'vim-with-x' to just 'X', but thought I'd raise the issue here since this USE flag has been around since before time began. It's there because if you break your X you probably want a usable editor to help you fix it. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 07:53:22PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It's there because if you break your X you probably want a usable editor to help you fix it. vim, compiled with vim-with-x works correctly when X is broken. It doesn't enable X11-based UI, like flag X suggests. It just enables optional connection to x-server to use its clipboard, and vim still works if that connection fails. X11-based UI is in separate package, app-editors/gvim
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:05:27 +0400 dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 07:53:22PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It's there because if you break your X you probably want a usable editor to help you fix it. vim, compiled with vim-with-x works correctly when X is broken. It doesn't enable X11-based UI, like flag X suggests. It just enables optional connection to x-server to use its clipboard, and vim still works if that connection fails. It does not, however, work if your X libraries are broken. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] app-editors/vim and USE=vim-with-x - Rename to USE=X?
Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:05:27 +0400 dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 07:53:22PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It's there because if you break your X you probably want a usable editor to help you fix it. vim, compiled with vim-with-x works correctly when X is broken. It doesn't enable X11-based UI, like flag X suggests. It just enables optional connection to x-server to use its clipboard, and vim still works if that connection fails. It does not, however, work if your X libraries are broken. I certainly agree with you that removing the linkage to a handful of X libraries makes vim more robust if those particular libraries fail. However even with USE=-vim-with-x, there are a number of other libraries that, if broken, will still render vim useless, such as ncurses, perl, python, and ruby. I suspect if one really wants a fail-proof editor, one would either be building vim with USE=minimal which will ignore the 'vim-with-x' or 'X' USE flag (regardless of what we call it) and also ignore any perl/python/ruby libraries, or one would want something more trim, like busybox vi. Or even better yet, busybox vi with USE=static. Of course changing the USE flag name to 'X' would still let users decide to *not* link their app-editors/vim against any X libraries via per-package USE flags. The main difference in changing the name from 'vim-with-x' to 'X' is that instead of enforcing a default behaviour of Vim will not link against X unless explicitly told to do so, we will be enforcing a policy of Vim will link against X when USE='X'. I suppose this is a bit like a transition from an opt-in policy to an opt-out policy, with the caveat that by enabling USE=X globally, a user has already declared their intent: opt-in to linking against X in all packages where there is a choice to do so. -- Jim Ramsay Gentoo Developer (rox/fluxbox/gkrellm/vim) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
