Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-02-02 Thread Natanael Copa
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 08:54 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 01 February 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:46 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Thursday 31 January 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: ... > > > > I can create a bug on this so we get rid of both perl and deb

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-02-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 01 February 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:46 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 31 January 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > > > 080128 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > > now that the mktemp binary has

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-02-01 Thread Natanael Copa
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:46 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 31 January 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > > 080128 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils > > > > and integrated stra

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 31 January 2008, Natanael Copa wrote: > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > 080128 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils > > > and integrated straight into coreutils, > > > perhaps it's time to ask how important th

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-31 Thread Natanael Copa
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 080128 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils > > and integrated straight into coreutils, > > perhaps it's time to ask how important this package is to everyone. > > current debianutils is part

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 10:32 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > That nothing that you've said counters the package not being needed in > the system target. In fact, the packages that you list all explicitly > depend on debianutils, so they wouldn't break if we removed it from > system. The problem i

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:35 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 'equery d debianutils' gives me > > app-admin/sysklogd-1.4.2_pre20061230 (sys-apps/debianutils) > app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.3-r1 (userland_GNU? sys-apps/debianutils) > sys-apps/mktemp-1.5 (>=sys-apps/debianutils-2.16.2) > > The 2nd c

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-30 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Jan 30, 2008 6:35 PM, Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 'equery d debianutils' gives me > > app-admin/sysklogd-1.4.2_pre20061230 (sys-apps/debianutils) > app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.3-r1 (userland_GNU? sys-apps/debianutils) > sys-apps/mktemp-1.5 (>=sys-apps/debianutils-2.16.2) > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-30 Thread Philip Webb
080128 Mike Frysinger wrote: > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils > and integrated straight into coreutils, > perhaps it's time to ask how important this package is to everyone. > current debianutils is part of "system" and provides: > - installkernel > - run-parts > -

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:43:38 +0100 "Matthias B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's wrong with making it an optional dependency? Something like a > useflag Because if this would be done consistently we'd end up with several thousand use flags long term, not really what I'd call managable. Unfor

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Matthias B.
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:59:39 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Krzysiek Pawlik kirjoitti: > > Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > >> I would say drop it from system and add to RDEPEND in kernel-2.eclass > >> for ${ETYPE} == sources. > > > > IMHO that's a bad idea - everybody use some kernel so

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:59:39 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BSD, prefix etc. I would say breaking make install is worse than requiring people to keep debianutils installed. They can just use package.provided if they want to get rid of it. ...which the

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:59:39 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BSD, prefix etc. I would say breaking make install is worse than > requiring people to keep debianutils installed. They can just use > package.provided if they want to get rid of it. ...which then breaks things that hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 07:23:18AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils and integrated > straight into coreutils, perhaps it's time to ask how important this package > is to everyone. current debianutils is part of "system" and provides: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Petteri Räty
Krzysiek Pawlik kirjoitti: Yuri Vasilevski wrote: I would say drop it from system and add to RDEPEND in kernel-2.eclass for ${ETYPE} == sources. IMHO that's a bad idea - everybody use some kernel sources, but not everybody runs `make install'. I'm for dropping debianutils from system. BSD

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Yuri Vasilevski wrote: I would say drop it from system and add to RDEPEND in kernel-2.eclass for ${ETYPE} == sources. IMHO that's a bad idea - everybody use some kernel sources, but not everybody runs `make install'. I'm for dropping debianutils from system. -- Krzysiek Pawlik key id: 0

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Petteri Räty
Yuri Vasilevski kirjoitti: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:23:18 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils and integrated straight into coreutils, perhaps it's time to ask how important this package is to everyone. current debianutils i

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:23:18 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils and > integrated straight into coreutils, perhaps it's time to ask how > important this package is to everyone. current debianutils is part > of "system" and

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Doug Klima
Mike Frysinger wrote: now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils and integrated straight into coreutils, perhaps it's time to ask how important this package is to everyone. current debianutils is part of "system" and provides: - installkernel - run-parts - tempfile - save

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 28-01-2008 07:23:18 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > do people consider these things critical ? i dont know the last time i > personally needed/wanted any of these ... Given that it needs a jumbo patch to compile on non-GNU/Linux systems lacking GNU getopt, I wouldn't mind if it would get dropp

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Rémi Cardona
Mike Frysinger a écrit : do people consider these things critical ? i dont know the last time i personally needed/wanted any of these ... I for one didn't even know what tools it provided ... let alone what I might use them for. Rémi -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
now that the mktemp binary has been moved out of debianutils and integrated straight into coreutils, perhaps it's time to ask how important this package is to everyone. current debianutils is part of "system" and provides: - installkernel - run-parts - tempfile - savelog - mkboot do people