Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
perl-core/Switch is now stabilized on amd64 ppc x86, so this should be fixed. On 30/06/14 04:46 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [snip!] * As Fabian pointed out, perl-core/Switch-2.160.0 should still go stable. Fine with me (but I can't read your minds about future stabilizations, and the virtual only had ~arch reverse deps). There shouldn't be any need to read minds, here -- if the previous stable perl had this capability, then the new stable perl should too (whether that be via internal or external module package). If it doesn't, then the upgraded-new-stable-perl isn't a valid replacement for the stable version it previously replaced. Remember that there could be who knows what scripts on end-user systems that need this functionality, and if it's suddenly not available because the only thing that provides it is ~arch, then they are not left in a happy state.. I'm not fully buying this argument, since it would prevent us ever stabilizing a package where an upstream feature is removed. (Switch was first released with perl v5.7.3 and removed from v5.13.1. So there should have been lots of time to update dependency declarations or pull in the external package if needed for non-portage scripts.) It would be nice if something like a pkgmove be done on the virtual, though, upon its elimintation; anyone that installed the virtual to obtain perl Switch shouldn't have to unmerge and specifically emerge perl-core/Switch. I'm not sure if pkgmove itself supports this, though.. I dont think this is what pkgmove does (this would move the no installed files vdb entry of the virtual to the perl-core name... we would need a functionality that only touches the world file alone...) -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, council signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
It would be nice if something like a pkgmove be done on the virtual, though, upon its elimintation; anyone that installed the virtual to obtain perl Switch shouldn't have to unmerge and specifically emerge perl-core/Switch. I'm not sure if pkgmove itself supports this, though.. I dont think this is what pkgmove does (this would move the no installed files vdb entry of the virtual to the perl-core name... we would need a functionality that only touches the world file alone...) I've added a message about Switch to the package mask, so people should get informed now. # Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (29 Jun 2014) # Mask perl-5.12 and related package versions prior to removal # If you require the Switch package, emerge perl-core/Switch =dev-lang/perl-5.12* =perl-core/Module-CoreList-2.800.0 =virtual/perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.56 =virtual/perl-Module-CoreList-2.800.0 virtual/perl-Switch -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer kde, council
Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
On 30/06/14 18:16, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 30/06/14 04:46 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [snip!] * As Fabian pointed out, perl-core/Switch-2.160.0 should still go stable. Fine with me (but I can't read your minds about future stabilizations, and the virtual only had ~arch reverse deps). There shouldn't be any need to read minds, here -- if the previous stable perl had this capability, then the new stable perl should too that's nonsense, if upstreams remove features, even working ones, it might not make everyone happy, but they are well within their rights to do that (like, upower dropping hibernate/suspend support) and if someone isn't happy about it, they can always fork - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/07/14 07:57 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: perl-core/Switch is now stabilized on amd64 ppc x86, so this should be fixed. On 30/06/14 04:46 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [snip!] * As Fabian pointed out, perl-core/Switch-2.160.0 should still go stable. Fine with me (but I can't read your minds about future stabilizations, and the virtual only had ~arch reverse deps). There shouldn't be any need to read minds, here -- if the previous stable perl had this capability, then the new stable perl should too (whether that be via internal or external module package). If it doesn't, then the upgraded-new-stable-perl isn't a valid replacement for the stable version it previously replaced. Remember that there could be who knows what scripts on end-user systems that need this functionality, and if it's suddenly not available because the only thing that provides it is ~arch, then they are not left in a happy state.. I'm not fully buying this argument, since it would prevent us ever stabilizing a package where an upstream feature is removed. But it's not removed -- it's just packaged separately, if one takes the entirety of dev-lang/perl + perl-core/* as meaning perl. If the feature was indeed just plain gone and there wasn't a module providing that functionality, then of course stabilization shouldn't be held up waiting for someone to write or package it, but if it -has- been written and packaged already, I personally think it makes sense that it be added to the stabilization list without the need for a bunch of people specifically requesting it. (i realize based on what is stated below, that it wasn't stabilized for any other perl release after 5.12 and i would guess that is likely why it wasn't considered for stabilization for 5.16 along with the rest of the packages in https://458122.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=339264 ) (Switch was first released with perl v5.7.3 and removed from v5.13.1. So there should have been lots of time to update dependency declarations or pull in the external package if needed for non-portage scripts.) Perhaps if it makes sense to do so, the virtual/perl-*'s should be adjusted so that they ewarn on pkg_postinst when the older perl version is no longer being installed, to let them know they should update their @world?? I expect this could be a templatized message, even... For this particular case, having the per-core package mentioned in the p.mask helps a lot. It would be nice if something like a pkgmove be done on the virtual, though, upon its elimintation; anyone that installed the virtual to obtain perl Switch shouldn't have to unmerge and specifically emerge perl-core/Switch. I'm not sure if pkgmove itself supports this, though.. I dont think this is what pkgmove does (this would move the no installed files vdb entry of the virtual to the perl-core name... we would need a functionality that only touches the world file alone...) Probably we would want it to do more than just change @world, for instance the in-vdb dependency list for all other installed packages that contain the virtual should be changed to perl-core/Switch. But yes I agree 'pkgmove' as it stands would probably make a mess of things. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlOzBBIACgkQ2ugaI38ACPCSMgEAvA3CDQ514onG5JpeVn4kukXe m/1QS6fy9HC70LWXEFUA/2tLYz+Ljz9RonsPnrK7U+mgOiRI4icbt4d58rjLZOsP =TecJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
On 29/06/14 16:49, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: virtual/perl-Switch No, stop that right now. Bug #511874 needs to be actually fixed: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=511874 The explanation was closed as a duplicate, which it isn't: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496278 You are breaking working installs here and I will not stand for it. Regards, Tony V. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
Am Montag, 30. Juni 2014, 10:21:17 schrieb Tony Vroon: On 29/06/14 16:49, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: virtual/perl-Switch No, stop that right now. Bug #511874 needs to be actually fixed: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=511874 The explanation was closed as a duplicate, which it isn't: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496278 You are breaking working installs here and I will not stand for it. * What am I breaking? All in-tree revdeps have been fixed to depend on perl-core/Switch * What is the point of keeping a virtual with only one provider? * As Fabian pointed out, perl-core/Switch-2.160.0 should still go stable. Fine with me (but I can't read your minds about future stabilizations, and the virtual only had ~arch reverse deps). -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/06/14 04:46 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [snip!] * As Fabian pointed out, perl-core/Switch-2.160.0 should still go stable. Fine with me (but I can't read your minds about future stabilizations, and the virtual only had ~arch reverse deps). There shouldn't be any need to read minds, here -- if the previous stable perl had this capability, then the new stable perl should too (whether that be via internal or external module package). If it doesn't, then the upgraded-new-stable-perl isn't a valid replacement for the stable version it previously replaced. Remember that there could be who knows what scripts on end-user systems that need this functionality, and if it's suddenly not available because the only thing that provides it is ~arch, then they are not left in a happy state.. That's the case here, perl-core/Switch is still ~arch, therefore the current stable provider of Switch is still perl-5.12. Once the keywording is resolved though then 5.12 (and the virtual) would no longer be needed. It would be nice if something like a pkgmove be done on the virtual, though, upon its elimintation; anyone that installed the virtual to obtain perl Switch shouldn't have to unmerge and specifically emerge perl-core/Switch. I'm not sure if pkgmove itself supports this, though.. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlOxfz4ACgkQ2ugaI38ACPCPZgD/e5g4fsbhBDKqo3Yal5/xc4Bc 4M8CqdhKYAC5OCo8/ywBAIwIgdWDuJfL8vILLbfIIzi//kuSXllU6TcR/aCMOdlf =9AEF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-dev] last rites: =dev-lang/perl-5.12* and family
# Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org (29 Jun 2014) # Mask perl-5.12 and related package versions prior to removal =dev-lang/perl-5.12* =perl-core/Module-CoreList-2.800.0 =virtual/perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.56 =virtual/perl-Module-CoreList-2.800.0 virtual/perl-Switch -- Andreas K. Huettel Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde) dilfri...@gentoo.org http://www.akhuettel.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
